just Back From SAS/AIMM Show

Mike in VA

New member
Pretty good turn out, I'd guesstimate about 1500-2000 by around 1 when I had to get home. Speakers were great!! John Lott (got to shake his hand and say "Thanks" :) :) :):!!)), Suzanne Gratia Hupp, Roy Innes Jr. and all the others. All presented well, were articulate and well tunred out. Paragons of rationality. The crowd was made up of mostly remarkably 'normal' citizens, next to no camo-clad Rambo-wannabes or visitors from other planets, and generally enthusiastic and appreciative of the program.

The Million Misguided Misinformed Moron Mommies (oops, is my bias showing?) were something else again. I rode the Metro in with them from Falls Church, and I have never seen such a delusionsal bunch of sheeple. I just sat quietly, reminding myself that it's the 2nd Amendment that guarantees the 1st over and over. I only saw one other gun guy on the car, probablydoing the same thing. I bailed at Farragut-West and walked to the Mall from there because I was feeling duller and dumber just by being in their presence. I mean. I know they mean well, but, geez, they just haven't a clue (whaddaya expect fromt the braind-ead minions of Rosie and Oprah, anyway). They had a good turn-out, but I don't think they're were that many of them, i.e. less than 100K, but I'm not good at estimating crowd size and my ankle was apping at me big time. The had a nice set-up and slick production, but then again, a $2 million dolloar budget can buy ya all that

SAS did a great job of pulling this together on a shoe-string. It was well organized and very professional. These folks deserve our support and can put a very human (and humane) face on gun owners without a lot of the baggage of the NRA (and I by no means suggest that we shouldn't suppoprt them, too). They are a good compliment to the NRA and GOA, and help broaden (and soften) the public's perception of gun owners. This is a fight for the hearts and minds, and these women are a distict asset to the cause of freedom in that fight.

BTW, besides smart, all the women there today were beautiful, too :) :) :) :).
M2
 
It's too early to have a good analysis of these mother's day events, but every web news site I've looked at throughout the day (including those antagonistic toward RKBA) has at least noted the presence of SAS. The weight of reporting has gone to the MMM, but the information on SAS has not been derogatory or dismissive. For those who have participated or been part of the SAS effort, and because of the voice that has been raised in defense of personal freedoms, I say thank you.

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"In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity." Albert Einstein
 
The lion's share of the coverage deals with the MMM. That's to be expected. After all, they have more money, more celebrities, and more people in attendance.

Though limited, I have seen several stories on the SAS counter protest today in Washington. They were all fair and balanced, IMO. We must keep the positive pro RKBA activism going. The MMM and their allies will...
 
I wonder. Could the reason for the balance be that there is, as of yet, no affiliation with the evil NRA Gun Lobby?
 
The lack of NRA's explicit backing may well have eliminated a scapegoat, but I also think SAS has done an excellent job of making RKBA issues known; so much so, that (dare I say it?), maybe even the national media are starting to realize that 'gun control' issues are not one sided? I didn't mention in my earlier post, but I've also seen this balance on television news reports; a rarity for sure.

And, does anyone who has been listening for the last 8 years (regardless of their personal stance regarding RKBA) really expect the Clintons and hollywood celebrities to say anything that they haven't already said? The SAS voices are new, and news reporting isn't about the old and commonplace. The additional fact that SAS has presented our side rationally, and with obvious depth of feeling, has certainly helped make it newsworthy.

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"In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity." Albert Einstein
 
There were about 250+ moms in tucson AZ, with about 200 pro freedom marchers, from GOA, NRA,SAS-AIMM,JPFO, Gun owners of Arizona, Brassroots of Arizona, and the Arizona state rifle and pistol club.
All semed to go well we got a lot attention from the media, we shall see if they air any of it!
The MMM'ers had their park fees paid by the mayor seems to me theres is not a grassroots org as they claim.
Our park fees were paid by a small gun manufacturer here in Tucson, and with out the help of the only pro RKBA city councleman we would have been pushed off to the sidewalk like they were in Phoenix.
Herd they did real good in PX looking to hear from John/AZ or someone that was there.

Hope EVERYBODY here exercised their 1st amendment rights today!!

7

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Ahhh. It was a great time, wasn't it??

The SAS rally was unbelievable, I was really impressed by the quality of both the speakers and the crowd. Even the band was good. Lots of different groups pulled together and made a terrific showing all around.

I also had the misfortune of sharing a Metro ride with a large number of MMMorons. All the way to Shady Grove. Gah. Next time i'm bringing earplugs.

Now what we really need is to have one of these rallys every month or so. Offset quantity with quality and frequency. Keep in the media spotlight.

Later,
Chris

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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box
 
i got pix from the set up

did the manage to get my big poster (4 x 8 foot) up?

they were really lacking in the stage management area

i had to leave at 8:30 for church

expect pix online tomorrow

Hey Bubbles!
Did someone retrieve my crossed musket & AR15 banner?

dr. Zox
 
Well, things weren't too bad in Providence, RI this afternoon.

The MMM had the PA system and the singers and a table of shoes, 41 pairs, one for each of the average yearly victims of handgun violence in RI. There were about 300 MMM demonstrators. (The MMM called us the "loud minority", and yet they had the PA system... hmmmm.) (Yeah, i know, 41 deaths by gun per year in RI, epidemic isn't it?)

The SAS-AIM counter demonstration was perhaps 100 people, who carried many signs (i especially liked the banner which read, "How many Guns were put on the street by Rep. Patrick Kennedy's cocain money?" and another one which read, "Ban 'Patches' Kennedy from airports")

~USP

note, my quoted numbers of people are probably underestamated.
 
In Chicago we had about 200 show up for AIMM. I have no idea how many MMMs there were. I do know that the MMM members came over and started harassing many of our members. Some got so bad that they looked like they were about to assault some of the AIMM members who were speaking. The police came over and formed a line to keep them on their side. The police were facing the MMM members and had their backs to us - shows you they knew who they had to keep an eye on!

There were at least 4 states represented in Chicago. I think Slowpoke Rodrigo wins the prize for the longest drive to the Chicago rally! It was really great to be able to meet Slowpoke Rodrigo, Moneyleg, jcoyoung, and stubell. I got lots of pics and hope to have them up on my website by Friday. I have a big interview with a local reporter tomorrow so I won't have time to do it until at least Tuesday. Tonight I am going to crash. After 8 hours in the car and running all over Lakeshore Path, I'm tired!

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Refuse to be a "helpless" victim.
Knowing Your Rights WAGC in Indiana

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I was at the DC SAS/AIMM DC show also. Concur with Mike in VA on the whole thing. The only rowdy I saw was an anti-gun guy who was escorted away by the Park Police - not arrested. If one of us had pulled that at the MMM I think it would have been a different story.

dz; - I did not see the banner you described. One of the 'sisters' said they had problems with the stage crew - late, uncooperative etc. I was looking for it since I hoped to meet you.

Had the same metro experiences on the way home at 1:30 as others did. The t-shirt I made last night has a picture of my 82 year old mother shooting a gun. Even a few of the MMMers cracked a real slight smile - the rest avoided me or looked disgusted. I may go into the t-shirt business
 
I was at Chicago. The antis had nothing but nonsensical signs and sayings. One guy even had a sign that said "People don't kill people, guns do." I'm still stumped at why all the MMMs were not afraid of the evil baby killing guns that the cops had.

As I was walking back to the parking garage, a MMM asked to borrow my cell phone to call somebody she was supossed to meet here. She even offered money, which I declined to accept. She obviously didn't see my "Crime Control, Not Gun Control" sign. (I think she saw it later.) I hope she came away with the image of a courteous and helpful (god-forbid!) PRO-GUN person.
 
The Phoenix report:

We had about 150-200 (rough guess) spread all around the park. The police were keeping those they knew to be against the Misinformed Mothers' March out of the park, so we were relegated to the sidewalks across the road.

Ceasar had a game going in the America West Arena (Sun vs. Lakers, I believe). It is my uninformed opinion that we lost many potential marchers to the siren song of the spectator sport.

Many people were carrying openly. This proved to be no problem. I carried openly as well but chose the less expensive .22 pistol over the Glock, just in case there was any confiscations taking place.

There was one thing that was very disappointing to me about the whole thing and that was the name calling and accusations that took place on our side of the issue.

I felt that our point would have been recieved more openly (if that's possible) if there had not been those shouting, "Hey, Communist!" and the like.

Chants like, "Education not legislation," "Guns, #1 in feminine protection," and "Legislation just creates more criminals" to me, were much more positive without attacking the individual.

We had a real life troll stop by and engage members of our group in pointless debate for about an hour and a half. He just wanted to be "educated" but refused to listen. He had all the techniques for engaging others in debate but was an intellectual vacuum. It seemed that he enjoyed the game but not the education that could be gained by it.

RickD drove endless loops around the park in a panel truck that was decked out in black plastic with white slogans. He and his wife put a lot of effort in encouraging people to be there.

Jeff Thomas looked quite dapper in his slacks, white shirt and tie, dispelling the traditionally held image of camos, buck teeth, and that ever present 5 o'clock shadow and missing teeth image that seems to be so dearly held by those who just don't uderstand. He was packing a sign and passing out brochures for "Mothers Arms".

It, being my first official protest, was quite a success. I will be very interested to hear how it was reported on the news.

Congratulations to all around the country who participated, and to those who simply could not, thank you for your support in your prayers!

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>>RKBA Defenders,
>
>The SAS-AIM DC March - as I saw it.
>
>Was at the DC 40K Mom March / SAS-AIM Countermarch today. Got there a
>little after noon. The weather was beautiful, warm, clear and sunny.
>
>Lots of street vendors selling MMM t-shirts (the kind with the gun
>pointing at the wearers' head). The MMMs were concentrated towards the
>Congressional Building end of the Mall. There were quite a few, yes,
>but nowhere close to a million. Estimates were between 40,000 to
>150,000, depending upon which News service you listened to. Glitzy, big
>screen for the speaker, LOTS of professionally done signage, t-shirts
>and stickers.
>
>Getting off the Smithsonian Metro stop, I looked for SAS-AIM. Nowhere
>to be seen. I knew from their website that they were to be meeting near
>the intersection of 17th and Constitution. Over the rise, beyond the
>Washington Monument, was another crowd. Home made signs, lots of
>American flags. Not as many as the MMMs.
>
>As I got closer I noticed, to my surprise, that the media WAS there and
>doing interviews. A young, well-spoken black representative (Innis?)
>had just finished his speech and was being video interviewed behind the
>stage. Two old-lady MMM infiltrators opened up signs right behind him.
>Pro-RKBA supporters surrounded them like white corpuscles, asking them
>if any pro-RKBA types were trying to disrupt the MMMs. These two ladies
>were in high screech mode, but were eventually escorted from the SAS-AIM
>rally. They later returned to heckle the speaker, who responded to the
>effect that "ma'am, I love you and embrace you." It really came across
>very nicely, certainly better than if Clinton had said it.
>
>The screeches were overheard to say "it's scary to see so many of you
>down there." That got a big laugh. It seems the MMM were largely driven
>by fear.
>
>Some of the best speakers were foreigners who had come from strictly
>gun-controlled dictatorships. The loudest applause came from the son of
>a Holocaust survivor who related the story of how his father had killed
>SS troops who had come to his home and killed his mother and sister, and
>also how his mother had heard the SS saying that 'they came looking for
>guns and found Jews.'
>
>Around 2:00 p.m. one of the coordinators announced that 'we will not be
>marching.' Talk about a mini-insurrection! The ladies shouted 'we want
>to march!' and started out on their own. The coordinators called them
>back, saying, okay, okay we'll march, just wait for the police escorts.
>
>At 2:30 p.m. we headed out. The media was there with many video cameras
>paying particular attention to the wimmenfolk. The crowds we passed on
>Constitution Avenue came in three flavors: i) the bewildered and bemused
>foreign tourists, who seemed to have no idea of what was going on; ii)
>the mildly-disapproving MMMers, who showed disapproval as we marched by,
>but noteably, made a face as if encountering a bad smell when we spoke
>of or showed the Constitution (they DETEST the Constitution!); and iii)
>the actively hostile hecklers. There were only a few of the last kind,
>and I got the distinct impression that some of them were just using this
>as an opportunity to be a**h*les in public, rather than actually
>believing what they were shouting.
>
>The police kept a very neutral, hands-off attitude. When the hecklers
>got in some faces, the motorcycle cops were right there running
>interference. The media pounced on shouting matches when they erupted.
>
>Again, I did not see ONE AMERICAN FLAG among the ranks of the MMMers the
>entire day. We marched up to and past the Congressional Building up
>Capitol Hill to the Carillion (Bell tower). The pro-RKBA crowd broke
>out into 'God Bless America,' which the bell tower had started to play.
>We should bring more full-size American flags on poles to these marches.
>
>By about 3:45 p.m. the respective crowds were headed to the exits. I
>heard a few bitter exchanges when their paths crossed, but by and large
>the crowds kept to themselves. On the way back through I did hear a
>speaker from the MMM saying that 'there was a lot of work that still
>needed to be done" and that "we will have to harness this energy and use
>it in the November elections."
>
>The actual coverage. CNN made no mention of SAS-AIM (that I saw), but
>our local DC channel 8 did a switcheroo, giving great and extended
>soundbites for the SAS-AIM crowd, Wayne LaPierre (gun laws are a
>controlled burn of our freedoms), and then cut Dies-Thomases off (Ha!).
>
>
>Suggestions for future marches:
>
>1) Location, location, location. SAS-AIM were WAY too far away from the
>action to really be seen. Next time, PLEASE reserve the space either on
>the Mall itself, in front of Congress, or better yet, on the Ellipse
>right in front of the White House. Think of the crowds' backdrop for
>photo Ops!
>
>Instead of ending the march away from the White House or Congress, end
>it in front of one or the other. We seemed to be on the sidelines,
>while the MMM got center stage.
>
>2) T-Shirts! We need T-shirts! Preferably one standard design for all
>groups, and then make that design available for sale right there at the
>march itself. T-shirts are walking signposts to be seen before, during
>and long after the march itself has passed. When you see them on the
>metros and in the malls, it gives the impression that they MMMs are
>everywhere. We should have that too!
>
>3) Slogans. We had no standard, catchy slogans or chants. The Left
>spends years coming up with short, evocative, catchy, easy to shout and
>remember slogans. ex. "Hi-Ho-Ho-Chi-Mihn." "Hell No We Won't Go."
>
>(ex. ? "My-my, Hey-Hey, Arr-Kay, Bee-Ay" ?)
>
>We were pretty much making them up on the fly. Too complicated or not
>evocative. Guns Save Lives sounded pretty good. Some girls were
>shouting "No More Lies" [referring to 12, or 13 children killed each day
>propaganda].
>
>4) Conduct of the march. More fifes and drums, more bagpipes and other
>sorts of music to march to. Most gunnies are not the hippy-shouting
>types. After all, it's not dignified. But music helps in more than one
>way.
>
>First, for the close-in observer, it creates a powerful aural impact and
>an impression of greater numbers, as opposed to a relatively quiet or
>uncoordinated crowd of people. For people far off in the distance, they
>can now hear you. It reaches out far beyond the immediate setting and
>curiosity could bring these folks in, or at least strike fear in the
>hearts of the Left;
>
>Secondly, it helps to encourage and invigorate the troops. Scots have
>known this for ages, and it does work. A lot of folks were getting
>tired. Music or at least snare drums would help.
>
>Lastly, the marchers would convey the impression of greater numbers if
>they did not bunch up, but limited themselves to to about five abreast
>and increased the distance between themselves from front to rear. This
>makes the parade last longer from the perspective of the stationary
>sidewalk observer.
>
>This is not to say we should all form military-style ranks, which would
>probably cut across the fiercely-independent grains of many
>Libertarians, but at least should do so in a general fashion.
>
>5) Bring lots and lots of pocket Constitutions to hand out! Wave them
>in the faces of the anti-RKBA crowd. It illustrates to you and anyone
>else watching, just WHO is on the side of freedom and who is against
>it. Get in their faces with the Constitution! People kept asking for
>my copy and I felt bad having only one. Wave the Constitution the way
>the Cultural Revolutionary Guards waved their little red books. Imagine
>a parade of Constitutions held aloft!
>
>Just my suggestions.
>
>Thank you Ladies. It is so good to have you in the fray. It is so good
>to have you speak out in defense of the right to be free from fear.
>
>In Liberty,
>
>
>Rick V.
>
>--
>http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/iurist
>---------------------------------------------------------------[/quote]
 
I was there. It was the Million Mad Cow Mommies that nearly attacked the family in front of me.

Some of the MMM folks were VERY hostile. On the other hand, the ones we talked with going home on the Metro were fairly reasonable. Really wanted solutions, claimed they didn't support bans.

One man didn't yell Freedom, we all did! The march was fantastic, ending up near the capitol with a nearby bell ringing out America the Beautiful and the SAS crowd singing along. We didn't need high profile celebrities and singers.

I wonder how many came for the free Melissa Ethridge concert, or to meet Rosie O Piggie.

Best sign - Come and Get Them!

PaulB
NRA, GOA, LEAA, MDCL, C.A.N.
Fight 4 Your Rights Homepage

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In Chicago, young ladies (about age 10 to 15) from our side were passing out carnations with tags on them. Each tag told about a different woman who had been killed because she was unable to defend herself due to the no handgun legislation in Chicago. Many of the MMM members would accept the flower, read the tag, realize what it was, then throw it on the ground and stomp on it!

Some of those on our side said a few things I was uncomfortable with, but all in all, I've never seen such a well-behaved protest crowd. The cops never had to call any of our members down once. I just wish there had been more of us.

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Refuse to be a "helpless" victim.
Knowing Your Rights WAGC in Indiana
 
Just back today from DC march. Great crowd! No problems at all, except a few hecklers from the MMM. They were a nice, non-violent group, eh? No misbehavior from our side.

Just one thing that wasn't mentioned and I'm not sure if anyone else heard. A small boy with his mother at the MMM march read one of our signs and asked his mom, "cars kill more people than guns?". He seemed incredulous. His mom dragged him away from the curb, but maybe he'll remember it!

My only disappointment was that there weren't more of us there.

Colombe
 
Yes - The SAS march in DC was wonderful. I was very proud to be a part of it.

The signs, the banners, the sea of flags stretching in front and behind me as far as I could see down Constitution Ave. Mom's on the curbside shielding their children from the 'pornography of gunowners' in front of them. Other Mom's and 'honorary Moms' staring cowishly at us and still others screaming and shouting that they wished we were all dead.

We marched in good order up that road and gave the Mom's an earful.

I was most proud when several thousand of us sang God Bless America in the park at the end of the march in the shade of some large oaks. I saw tears in the eyes of more then a few.

God Bless America!

Viva La Resistance!!

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
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In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
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