July 4th U.N. Meeting for GUN BAN ???

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We don't care. The U.N. has no authority to do anything.

Hey, if the armies of the world want to march into America to take our guns, we'll be waiting for them.
 
Yeah, I knew they were meeting this year, but haven't heard too much about it. If they try it now, seeing as there's still a good amount of people (not all have become sheeple), they'll have hell to pay. :barf:
 
The UN is a joke, they can't do anything. I am incredibly tired of this biased anti-self defense/gun logic, it amazes me to see so many people in power so amazingly ignorant.
 
Let em try. Blue helmets make for great targets.:D UN resolutions aren't worth the paper they are written on; just ask Saddam.:barf:
 
Personally, I think we need to get the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S. Why should America be the worlds police? Why can't we just let China/Russia/Germany/France ship thousands and thousands of their sons and daughters to some God-forsaken third world country to play peace-keeper instead of us? Most young men in the military make barely poverty level wages and if they have family, the wife often has to use foodstamps or food-banks to feed the family. I think that's a disgrace. We should pay our armed forces a real wage, bring them home, and have some of them assist in border patrol. Over a million people sneak over the border every year. Keep working America, you have to pay their welfare and medical bills !! Just think of the money we'd save if we stopped paying for illegal immigrants. I say lets put up two tall chain link fences with razor wire acros the top, space them aprox 100 yards apart and create a 100 yard no-trespass zone. Anyone who crosses illegally gets shot. Then, leave the body there to rot as a warning to the others.

OK...I'm off my soapbox. Enough of my rant for now.:mad:
 
The UN passes a resolution. Your next POTUS, backed by a Dem Senate, signs her name to its support. The SCOTUS, demonstrating again an already indicated potentiality, agrees it has force of law.

Hand them in, Mr and Mrs America...

The UN still has no power...but the Resolution can have the force of a treaty and then what are you going to do about it?

Fight this now, so we don't have to see who is right, after the fact.
 
kymasabe, we do pay soldiers a living wage - for themselves.

It's not the public's responsibility to pay a guy more than another guy just because he has kids. That's Socialism. Daddy and non-daddy do the same exact job. The pay, and all benefits, should be the same.

Did you know that married servicemen get paid to live off-base, while single guys don't. That's Socialism.

Same is true in the military as anywhere else - if you can't afford kids, don't have 'em. It isn't the public's job to provide for them.
 
Hey, if the armies of the world want to march into America to take our guns, we'll be waiting for them.
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If they try it now, seeing as there's still a good amount of people (not all have become sheeple), they'll have hell to pay.
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Let em try. Blue helmets make for great targets
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I say lets put up two tall chain link fences with razor wire acros the top, space them aprox 100 yards apart and create a 100 yard no-trespass zone. Anyone who crosses illegally gets shot. Then, leave the body there to rot as a warning to the others.
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Ah yes the mature responsible gun owner engaging in a reasoned discussion of a political problem:barf:

Letters to your Senators are VERY Important.
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At least one gem in the mudpile.

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July 4th?

Maybe they are meeting on that day because then the U.S. won't have a vote. No one from 'our side' will be there because it's a national holiday and all government employees are off.
 
kymasabe, we do pay soldiers a living wage - for themselves.

It's not the public's responsibility to pay a guy more than another guy just because he has kids. That's Socialism. Daddy and non-daddy do the same exact job. The pay, and all benefits, should be the same.

Did you know that married servicemen get paid to live off-base, while single guys don't. That's Socialism.

Same is true in the military as anywhere else - if you can't afford kids, don't have 'em. It isn't the public's job to provide for them.
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Let me start by apolligizing for jacking the thread, but I couldn't let this one pass.

No, you don't get paid to live off base. You get a basic housing allowance(BHA). If you live in base housing single housing i.e. barracks or family housing you do not get an allowance. Part of the contract you have with the military is that they provide you and your dependents with housing. Single military members are also allowed BAH. It depends upon the base, the availability of on base facilities and rank whether you live on or off base when you're single. Everyplace I've been stationed the past 19 years E-4/E-5 seems to be the standard. For your last comment you're BAH is not based on the number of dependents you have, there is a single rate and with dependents rate, the amount is based on rank and whether you are single or "with dependents". Trust me the difference between the two isn't going to make a millionaire. Just like everywhere else if you have more dependents than you have money your wife gets a job or you get a second job. It's not called socialism it's called a contract that your government signed. I agree that if you can't afford kids don't have them, the same way I believe you shouldn't make comments about something you don't know about.

Now back to our previously scheduled thread.
 
No, you don't get paid to live off base. You get a basic housing allowance(BHA). If you live in base housing single housing i.e. barracks or family housing you do not get an allowance. Part of the contract you have with the military is that they provide you and your dependents with housing. Single military members are also allowed BAH. It depends upon the base, the availability of on base facilities and rank whether you live on or off base when you're single. Everyplace I've been stationed the past 19 years E-4/E-5 seems to be the standard. For your last comment you're BAH is not based on the number of dependents you have, there is a single rate and with dependents rate, the amount is based on rank and whether you are single or "with dependents". Trust me the difference between the two isn't going to make a millionaire. Just like everywhere else if you have more dependents than you have money your wife gets a job or you get a second job. It's not called socialism it's called a contract that your government signed. I agree that if you can't afford kids don't have them, the same way I believe you shouldn't make comments about something you don't know about.
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Don't **** a ****ter. I was in. I had to live on a f-ing ship or a f-ing base while guys of same or less rank got to live in off-base housing with their wives and kids. That's Socialism. Know what else it means? If I'm in my rack on board after duty and something hits the fan, they peg the single guys to do it, while the married guys are in front of their tvs.

Even though me and these married/daddies did the exact same job and had the exact same rank and time in, they got a bigger check.

That's bull****, and it's Socialism. Imagine trying that crap in the corporate world. It was so funny that we were all trying to defend Capitalism while having a Socialist pay structure.

And don't hide behind it being a contract, therefore it's immune from critique. It's a Socialistic contract, thus immoral. Simply because some guy sprogged doesn't mean his work is more valuable than someone who didn't.

I walked the walk. Don't try to bull**** me.
 
Don't **** a ****ter. I was in. I had to live on a f-ing ship or a f-ing base while guys of same or less rank got to live in off-base housing with their wives and kids. That's Socialism. Know what else it means? If I'm in my rack on board after duty and something hits the fan, they peg the single guys to do it, while the married guys are in front of their tvs.

Even though me and these married/daddies did the exact same job and had the exact same rank and time in, they got a bigger check.

That's bull****, and it's Socialism. Imagine trying that crap in the corporate world. It was so funny that we were all trying to defend Capitalism while having a Socialist pay structure.

And don't hide behind it being a contract, therefore it's immune from critique. It's a Socialistic contract, thus immoral. Simply because some guy sprogged doesn't mean his work is more valuable than someone who didn't.

I walked the walk. Don't try to bull**** me.
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I didn't want to get personal but it sounds more like you cried the cry. I'm sure the corporate world suits you well. You tried like the military, didn't like it and that fine it's not for everyone. The military isn't the corporate world, try telling a bank ceo he's going to live in a third world country eat goat and water buffalo, carry a gun and may get shot and see how that goes over. We all pick our careers, they all have their plus' and minuses and we are all free to change careers when we want and from the sounds of your comments I'm glad you changed careers you definately weren't happy.
You are correct the military is partially socialist, it couldn't function if it weren't. It's also structured, organized and alot of fun. I personally like water buffalo and goat. I like going to third world countries. I like the unknown. It's been worth every year and the thing I like most is you earn your keep. Life isn't fair and neither is the military. Nor is it a democracy.

This is my last comment on this since it has nothing to do with the thread. Feel free to pm me and we can discuss it if you like or start another thread.
 
I didn't want to get personal but it sounds more like you cried the cry. I'm sure the corporate world suits you well. You tried like the military, didn't like it and that fine it's not for everyone. The military isn't the corporate world, try telling a bank ceo he's going to live in a third world country eat goat and water buffalo, carry a gun and may get shot and see how that goes over. We all pick our careers, they all have their plus' and minuses and we are all free to change careers when we want and from the sounds of your comments I'm glad you changed careers you definately weren't happy.
You are correct the military is partially socialist, it couldn't function if it weren't. It's also structured, organized and alot of fun. I personally like water buffalo and goat. I like going to third world countries. I like the unknown. It's been worth every year and the thing I like most is you earn your keep. Life isn't fair and neither is the military. Nor is it a democracy.
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You're right. Happiness at work is tied to money. That's the only reason you go to work is for money. Some guy knocks up his wife, and for that reason alone, he gets more money. That's wrong. At least you admit the military is Socialistic.

Socialism don't fly in America. Socialism is anti-American. When you get a job in a real competitive environment, try telling your boss that you are entitled to more money because you have kids.

He'll give you less, because you won't be able to pound the 70 hour weeks, and you'll take more personal days. In the real world, pay is tied to merit, not need.

When I was in, the military was a place for losers to get free health care for their kids.

Know what a LIFER is (stolen from shipboard graffiti)?

Lazy
Ignorant
&%$!
Expecting
Retirement

I'll never forget that.
 
ok this is getting to be really lame, this is the third or fourth thread ruined by stupid off topic comments in Legal and Political in the past day or two. this thread had potential to be an awsome thread but because someone made a random comment off topic, the thread will be closed and everyone will suffer. sure another thread could be opened up but it will lose credibility becasue of everyone who commented in the first wont bother to in the second.

why cant these "inflamitory posts" be deleted, a pm sent by a mod and the thread resumed? instead the dumb comments are left on for all to see thus giving the original inflamer the audience he wanted and leaving potentially great topic is dead.
 
We police the world whether the UN says to or not.

We ban certain guns, even when the UN doesn't ask us to.

We invade countries that the UN tells us not to.


What, exactly, leads any of you to believe that the UN has any influence at all on us? If a new President wants to ban guns, they'll try it whether the UN wants them to or not.
 
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