John Lott and Rebecca Peters head-to-head on Aussie TV

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URL: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/archives/s126930.htm

Broadcast: 15/05/00
Marching Moms
In 1996 President Bill Clinton swept back into the White House with help from the so-called "soccer mums" - middle class women concerned with bread-and-butter issues like education, law and order, and jobs. This Mothers' Day many of those women turned their attention to gun control, rallying in their hundreds of thousands across the United States. What they want is simple: licences for handguns, a register of those guns, and childproof locks on the triggers. The demands seems simple, but they have incensed the powerful National Rifle Association. So will the soccer mums play a big part in the presidential election in November and who will they back?

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Compere: Tony Jones

Now to my guests.

John Lott is a senior research scholar at Yale University Law School.

He has written extensively on gun-related issues and is the author of 'More guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control'.

He spoke at the pro-gun rally in Washington yesterday.

John Lott joins us from Philadelphia.

Rebecca Peters, an Australian lawyer and former journalist, was one of the key organisers of the Million Moms march.

She'd been active too in the campaign for tougher gun laws in Australia before she took up the position with the Soros Foundation to direct a program of gun violence prevention.

And Stephen Wayne, a professor in the government department at Georgetown University, is an expert on American politics and the presidency.

He has written numerous books on the presidency and the electoral process.

Both Rebecca Peters and Professor Wayne join us from Washington.

Welcome to all of you.

Rebecca Peters, very occasionally an event like this does manage to affect the national psyche and swing the public mood on a big issue.

Now, was this one of those times?

REBECCA PETERS, PROG. DIR. FUNDER'S COLLABORATIVE: Well, I think more than any other event related to gun control, this one would be that event.

I mean, if I can tell you something about what it was like at the march itself.

It was a huge, huge crowd.

It far exceeded the expectations of the organisers.

I mean, there were numbers bandied about 500,000, 700,000 -- whatever.

But it was a very large crowd.[/quote]

There's much, much more, far too long to cut and paste.

I urge you strongly to read it.

The URL again is: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/archives/s126930.htm

B
 
Jeeze, why is the ABC so interested? Talk about a circus.

I mean, Australia has "solved" most of these problems already.

BTW - the million mom march leader is from New Jersey. It takes > 6 months TO GET ONE PISTOL legally there, and you need witnesses and a judge to vouch for you, etc. And noone in the news mentions that Washington DC does not just have "licencing", it has had a BAN ON HANDGUNS since the 1970s, only grandfatherering some of the junk already there.

Battler.
 
Hmmm, 3 antis against one pro. Lott did tend to go into monologue unfortunately.

As always there is no proof offered that adding gun laws will reduce crime.

"I mean, researchers know -- they have a term that is, if the results smell bad, it's quite likely there's something wrong."

That's not a term, that's a phrase. It also translates as "If I don't like the results, they must be wrong."


"I mean, it just makes no sense."

That's some pretty damning evidence Ms. Peters.


"If gun ownership made a society safer, America would be the safest society in the world."

No, Switzerland and Israel would be, and Switzerland is, and Israel might be if there weren't that little war going on.
 
"Rebecca Peters, an Australian lawyer and former journalist, was one of the key organisers of the Million Moms march."

Just what in the Hell is an Australian doing telling us to change our laws?????

:(

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."

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Gary,
A possibly better alternative to the outback...

Have Rich take her on an African safari.
Rich shows her a pride of lions at rest during the heat of the day.
Rich takes the video camera and says,
"Hey! How about some terrific shots for the folks back home? Go pet the pretty kitties!"

;)

(Later, when they're so sick that they fall unconscious, a vet could pump the lions' stomachs. After all, no reason to poison innocent game.....)
 
Just take them to South Africa, into the townships. Any white not
carrying a gun is IMO very crazy. Switzerland is the seventh sky
against S.A. regarding criminality.

Just think of it - our gun density is a few times higher than in
South Africa.

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DorGunR

You said:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Just what in the Hell is an Australian doing telling us to change our laws?????"[/quote]

That's exactly my thoughts, too.

However, I just recently learnt she's not an Australian but an American citizen. Apparently, she fled to Oz in 1975 to get away from a very messy divorce, and decided to make it her duty to take our guns away.

Having "succeeded" here, she's now back in the USA and intent on repeating the whole debacle there.

(I guess it's a bit like most people still think Mel Gibson's an Aussie, too)

Cheers (glad you're back)

B
 
If you have not read his book "more guns less crime" get it!

I am on chapter 2, and it is talking about real life stats, facts and figures.

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"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, becuse the whole body of the people are armed"
Noah Webster
 
Wow, John Lott really ripped them a new one.

They had absolutely NOTHING to back up any of their claims!

Even their ridiculous claim that voters will go to Gore for gun control was refuted by polls that show that people support Bush on the gun control issue.

They looked like the fools they are.

It is amazing the John Lott is not even a gun advocate, nor a gun owner when he did his studies. He is just a guy seeking the truth and trying to spread it.
 
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