Jerry Michel still exists.

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Shin-Tao

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The latest ATF victim, the gun dealer in Arizona.

Does anyone know if this address is the best one to use?

11518 East Apache Trail #117-10
Apache junction, Arizona 85220

(?)

I assume he still needs help. Fighting naked tyrany in court isn't cheap. Any of us in contact with him?
 
Thought so.

Gentlemen. In all seriousness.

Spotted owls, sea turtles, cop killers, and peta get hundreds of thousands of dollars.
This man is one of our own! Please.
 
Going out on a limb here

John and I have discussed this a little ... potentially touchy subject.

I don't know Jerry, whereas John does. I've had another RKBA supporter call me, and advise caution.

Here is the challenge - most of us have clear biases and low expectations of BATF. However, I'm sure they make some appropriate efforts. So, with a BATF investigation involving someone that you don't know personally, how do you decide if he is 'one of us'?

Please don't get me wrong - I'm not giving an opinion on this particular case, because I don't know the facts. I know what I've been told by a couple of acquaintances, and I've read a related document regarding the case.

But, the question is broader. I believe it is prudent to be cautious in supporting someone who has run afoul of the law. Most of the public has a kneejerk reaction that such folks are criminals ... and, due to our experience in the area, many of us have the opposite kneejerk reaction.

Everyone has to make their own judgement on such cases.

I hope things work out as they should in this case. If the man broke material criminal laws, then he should be charged and tried honestly. If he didn't, then his property should be returned. IMHO, asset seizures without charges are immoral and unethical. Let the truth come out in court.

Regards from AZ
 
Considering just what the ATF supports...

I believe it fair to say that considering what the ATF supports/enforces, and given their track record, this would stack the deck in the believability of Jerry's story.

Plus, having known him for nearly 3 years, while he is no paragon of virtue, the accusations and actions against him are well beyond the "reasonable and prudent" argument and follows the "what is the definition of 'is'?" precedent set by the Clinton administration.

The ATF is not a constitutionally sanctioned agency, and while their major purpose is to enforce unconstitutional law, even if Jerry were to have broken some victimless law, the greater evil exists in the existence and the victim creating actions of the agency itself.

Keep an eye on the bigger picture, folks. This is why the support should be given to Jerry.
 
Only 90 Bucks.

He has only recieved 90 bucks...
Come on guys.
Lets pull together.
This fellow could have been one of us.
This fellows story could be one of ours next.
I would like to see some of us help out.
Send what you can. Instead of a dollar to the guy with the bell - send it to Jerry.

You can send your donation in a plain letter envelope with out a return address.
Just send something.

Mine is on the way. If I can, you can too.
 
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