It's not just about the Presidential election

dogloose

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Libertarians are starting to look good... not just for President, but for all levels of government. There are more than 1500 Libertarians running for local, state and national office. Libertarians support the 2nd Amendment. We need to support them and all other gun friendly candidates.

The article below appeared in The Spokesman-Review of Spokane, Washington, on September 27, 2000. Here is the URL:
http://www.spokane.net/news-story-body.asp?Date=092700&ID=s857425&cat=

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Gun enthusiasts take note: Several Northeast and Midwest Democrats are sponsoring bills you don't want passed, Jill Labbe warns, and Republicans back 20,000 existing laws.

By Jill Labbe, Knight-Ridder

The gun rights community has been burning up the Internet the past few weeks after getting wind of Senate Bill 2099.

Folks, the Handgun Safety and Registration Act is the least of your worries right now but it does point out the need to pay close attention to the names associated with this kind of lawmaking.

SB 2099, drafted by Democratic Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, calls for all handguns that don't fall under registration in the National Firearms Act to be registered under an amendment to the Internal Revenue Code. It
also has provisions for taxation -- gee, what a surprise.

Contrary to the hype, the bill does not require the IRS to enforce the new regulations, nor does it mean that handguns have to be listed on income tax Form 1040. The bill has been sitting since February in the Senate Finance Committee, where it will die a well-deserved death this session.

This proposal is neither a first nor unique. The retiring senior senator from New York -- may Daniel Patrick Moynihan have a long life outside public service, because his life inside it was spent squashing gun rights -- is famous for legislation like this. Take, for example, his Real Cost of Destructive Ammunition Act, under which certain types of handgun ammunition would be "taxable at 10,000 percent."

A quick search of legislation on the Library of Congress' legislative Web site (http://thomas.loc.gov) using the words "handgun registration" netted a plethora of proposed laws:

- The Handgun Licensing Act, sponsored by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., would require people to "obtain a State license before receiving a handgun or handgun ammunition."
- The Handgun Licensing and Record of Sale Act, sponsored by Rep. Martin Meehan, D-Mass., calls for licensing handgun purchasers and devising a system to record sales.

- The Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act, sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D- alif., is similar to the House bill but would cover all firearms, not just handguns.
- The Gun Show Accountability Act, sponsored by Rep. Rod Blagojevich, D-Ill., would regulate the sale of firearms at gun shows.
- The Childproof Handgun Act, sponsored by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., would provide for childproof handguns.

- The Stop Gun Trafficking Act, also a Lautenberg special, seeks to reduce gun trafficking by prohibiting bulk purchases of handguns.

- The Pocket Rocket Elimination Act, brought to you by Illinois' Blagojevich, would prohibit the possession or transfer of the easily concealable pistols known as "pocket rockets."

Notice the common thread running through each proposal: It's being sponsored by a Democrat.

And this is just a sampling of the proposed legislation that is sitting in various House and Senate committees. It should serve to galvanize rights advocates to pay serious attention not just to the men vying to sit in the big leather chair behind the big wooden desk in the big Oval Office in the big White House but also to the men and women asking to be sent to Congress.

"2099 has ignited people's fire like nothing else," said Alan Korwin, author of a number of books on gun rights. "They really, at last, see it as a threat, even though it's old news, revived. It should be used as a rallying cry, not dismissed as the temporarily stalled measure it is."

The more I read about these so-called crime initiatives, the more I start to look seriously at Libertarian Party candidates for Congress. What the Democrats want is obvious: more laws, because somehow 20,001 will be more effective than the 20,000 that the country already has. The Republicans keep harping on enforcement of those existing laws, but in reality, those laws do more to keep citizens of good intent from being able to protect themselves than they keep criminals from getting guns.

So take note, you hunters, sportsmen and sportswomen, target shooters and believers in the notion of a citizen's right to self- efense. On Nov. 7, you'll have the opportunity to cast votes for more than just the president and vice president. Do your homework. Check out the names listed as sponsors and co-sponsors of proposed gun control legislation before Congress. "If there was ever doubt about the anti-rights agenda, it evaporates here," Korwin said. "Use it to get voters voting, activists active, sleepers awake, etc. Your phones are finally ringing off the hook; the advice should not be: `Forget about it; go back to sleep."'

Jill "J.R." Labbe is senior editorial writer and columnist for the Fort Worth Star- Telegram.


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dogloose

Illegitimati non carborundum:
Don't let the bastards grind you down.
Carborundi non illegitimatum:
Don't let the grind make a bastard out of you.
 
I'll shorten my usual rant on this topic.

By all means, follow your conscience and support these candidates AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, where they/you can make a difference and actually get elected. Build grassroots support that will make it's way up the ladder.

At this point Libertarians do not have the critical mass (built at the local level) to make any impact in a Presidential election other than as a spoiler.

Dissect it, rationalize it, philosophize it any way you want - a vote for Browne is a vote for Gore.

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Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.
1 Peter 2:16.
 
Well, actually a vote for Browne is a vote for Browne. Look, if Gore is destined to win in a particular state, voting Browne is a sensible vote of conscience. If Bush is destined to win, again a vote for Browne harms no one. If the election is "too close to call" a Gore voter voting for Browne by your measure is a good thing! What's left. The close elections where a Bush vote is sorely needed. I won't argue any further. But I will say that if more of us voted for Libertarians at the *local* level, that critical mass would be reached much sooner. I for one believe it will happen.
 
Latest poll:

Gore 46%
Bush 46%
Buchanan/Browne 1%

Are you going to take the responsibility of electing Gore to the White House by voting for Browne? A vote for Browne may be a vote for Browne, but it will end up getting Gore in office. Use common sense. Vote republican until the Libs have a chance.
 
I have to agree with RH. The Libertarians, whom I like very much, must establish themselves at the local levels first.

When they begin to do that, the media will begin to pay notice.

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
Jill Labbe shows an incredible disconnect in her logic. Either she is totally oblivious to the facts or she is trying to subvert the pro-gun cause.

She rants on about all of the anti-gun laws introduced into Congress BY THE DEMOCRATS and then insinuates that the only way to stop them is to vote for Libertarians! Say what? The only thing voting for the Libertarians will accomplish is the rapid passage of all these laws, since it will guarentee AlGore in the White House and a Democrat controlled House and Senate.

The only way to ensure that these proposals do not pass is to elect Gov. Bush to the Presidency and keep GOP control of the Congress. Want to roll back some of the current laws? Get the 76 million gun owners who do not belong to the NRA off their lazy butts and join the NRA! No polititian would dare ignore an organization comprised of 80 million members.

But you know what? It's much easier to just sit back and complain about how polititians don't listen to the little guy than have to take 30 minutes every two years to vote or send in 25 bucks every year to the NRA!
 
Please don't think I am trying to subvert the gun rights cause. On the contrary, I am hoping for a time when we can see all our rights restored - permanently.

Many of you here and on other forums have suggested that a vote for Browne is a wasted vote. I certainly do not want to try and persuade anyone to do something they believe can further damage our rights. However, the Presidential election is not the only election in November. Many local elections have Libertarian candidates running as well. That is how we can eventually take back this issue - at the local level.

Libertarians have had great success in local elections and are often elected to city council, as judges, and in some cases even higher offices in state legislatures. It is these incremental inroads made at other levels of government that will enable the Libertarian party to reach a critical mass. Since there are no more staunch supporters of gun rights and other constitutional issues than Libertarians, electing them helps achieve our objectives whatever the office may be.

Look around... hundreds(!) of Libertarians are already now in office. There are more Libertarians in elected positions than all other 3rd parties combined. There are more than 1500 Libertarian candidates running for offices in every state. But of course more are needed. Libertarian ideas will effectively enter the mainstream when we elect officials at all levels of government to represent us. Libertarians can win elections if we vote our conscience. Beat the Democrats for the White House, Congress, and Senate for sure - any way we can - but please give Libertarians a chance at the local level.
 
dogloose,
I don't mean this to be a personal attack or flame, but if you do a lot of digging on the first line of your signature, you can see how I feel about the Libertarian party. They sound great, but how close to real are they?
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