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Lonnie Jaycox

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I just received this as a posting on a list-serve that I am a member of. The rules on the list prohibit partisan political efforts--this was posted by the person who runs the list--oh well. There are only about 600 on that list-serve, so I figure that with many thousand on this one that two can play this game.

From: Mike's Message [mailto:mikemail@cloud9.net]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:57 AM
To: michaelmoore-l@cloud9.net
Subject: [Mike's Message] We Need 3 Electors With a Conscience -- A
Message from Michael Moore


We Need 3 Electors With a Conscience

December 15, 2000

Dear friends,

There is still one more chance to stop the theft of the 2000 election.

On Monday, the electors will gather in their respective state capitals to
cast their votes for President. If just three of the Republicans' 271
electors switch their votes, Bush loses. I have to believe in any
gathering of human beings there is at least 1% of them who will always be
willing to commit an act of courage and conscience. That's roughly the
percentage we need of those 271 Americans who hold the country's fate in
their hands. Like Bush, they all know that in order to prevent the
election of Al Gore, the counting of the votes in Florida had to be
stopped -- because it was clear what the outcome would be. When the
Supreme Court called a halt to the counting at 2:45pm last Saturday, the
Bush lead had dropped to only 58 votes! And that was with only a third of
the recount completed.

Please understand -- this appeal is not coming from a Gore supporter. It
is not a partisan thing for me. It is about counting all the votes of the
citizens. The way I see it, if this theft could happen to one of their own
(namely, Gore, who is funded by the EXACT same people as Bush), imagine
what would happen to any of us if we ever decided to run for office -- and
got close to winning. For the sake of our future, we must oppose this
illegitimate election.

I am going to send an e-mail to those electors who have e-mail addresses.
I am asking all of you to do the same. For a complete list of the
Republican electors (with their names, phone numbers and addresses), go to
http://www.votewithamerica.com or use this list of electors I am enclosing if you
prefer to do a mass mailing:

admissions@marshall.edu; arpaio@primenet.com; bmcclellan@indgop.org;
bobomigook@msn.com; bpbredeman@ktis.net; chayes@dynasty.net;
clarkken@netzero.net; commissioner@co.allen.in.us;
contact@gov.state.la.us; c_p_castillo@yahoo.com; dks@sbccpa.com;
ellingermc@aol.com; feeney.tom@leg.state.fl.us;
fontenoc@legis.state.la.us; ghood@ci.orlando.fl.us;
gmclendon@simmonsvedder.com; governor@gov.state.ut.us;
governor@state.nd.us; herberta@borfl.org; info@thevillages.com;
jbrandall.geo@yahoo.com; jhamlin@dallascounty.org;
jhendren@arkleg.state.ar.us; johnculberson@pdq.net; johnjer@msn.com;
jordancj2@aol.com; jrjunkin@bkbank.com; kbouck@gov.state.ut.us;
llake@aol.com; loycemc@juno.com; mayoryoung@co.richmond.ga.us;
mayor_billings@yahoo.com; mckay.john.web@leg.state.fl.us;
michaelwoodssr@hotmail.com; mmcdaniel@indgop.org; mpaddie@esc5.net;
mpaddie@sc5.net; nddc73a@prodigy.com; pbrister@gs.verio.net;
progop@juno.com; ragtimee@aol.com; rhrockytop@yahoo.com;
rnoss@prodigy.net; robert.eastin@faa.gov; s28@ai.org;
sagee@arkleg.state.ar.us; sdgov@state.sd.us; sdltgov@gov.state.sd.us;
sduprey@mediaone.net; slsdaniel@aol.com; sterrell@laelections.org;
susangop@aol.com; wcrocket@fclaw.com

Ask these electors, with the most sincere passion you can muster, to vote
for the candidate the American people chose. Gore won by 300,000 votes
nationwide and there is strong evidence he would have the electoral vote
if the counting had not been stopped in Florida.

If any of these Republicans break ranks, they will be ostracized for life
by their political allies. They need our support. They should be told that
they will go down in history as a true Profile in Courage. We are all
given a conscience so that we know right from wrong. When you write to
these electors, you must go right to that raw nerve of their conscience.

It's only 3 out of 271! That's all we need, just three, and a wrong will
have been righted. One of the reasons the founding fathers set up this
nutty system was so the electors could correct any wrongdoing that may
have taken place. They are not supposed to be a rubber stamp. They are
expected to act on their own sense of what is right.

We have less than 72 hours. This is not about Gore, and it is not about
Bush. It is simply about electing the person whom the American people have
said they want to lead the country. What could be so hard about that?

Yours,

Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
http://www.michaelmoore.com

There is another side to this and perhaps they should hear from those people also :)

Lonnie
 
Michael Moore has definetely gone off the deep end over this whole thing. He started to fray around the edges when he jumped into the anti-second ammendment morass. Now with the election, he's just come totally unglued. I used to love his shows, and I've read his mailing list for quite a while...but he's lost me. The guy's out to lunch in a major way.

- gabe
 
Please understand -- this appeal is not coming from a Gore supporter. It is not a partisan thing for me.

Does anyone actually believe this? The guy is as big a liar as his idol.
 
I assure you, Michael Moore is not getting along very well with the Democratic establishment right now. Remember, he was one of the key folks in the Nader campaign, especially in the superrallies. The Gore people were a little ashamed that the Greens could get 10 times the number of people to a $10 event than they could get even with tons of free media attention and food given out. (The Bush people didn't do much better on rallies than the dems.) So no, he's not a Gore supporter.
 
Is this the Michael Moore I'm familiar with (the documentary about the auto manufauturer closing down)? I think he's a hold over (left over) of the 60s' :)
Bob
p.s. I still hate Ben and Jerry's
 
Yeah, Roger and Me, about his hometown of Flint and the fight against the auto company. I'm not sure if he was active or not in the '60s.
 
That 60s' bit was tongue in cheek :) I went to his site.
I could care less which side he's on; he's a Lib fer sure.
I just wish that he and those like him would JUST WAKE UP
and realize that the world isn't fair; never has been, never
will be.
Bob
 
E-mailed this to http://www.votewithamerica.com. I wonder if they'll see the humor?


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Regarding the popular vote ...

Not a Gore supporter? Yeah, right. Actions speak loudly.


And, let's chat about the 'popular' vote. First, as we all know, the Electoral College is the law of the land. If you study the system, it tends to provide smaller and less populous states with a better voice in the election. That is, without the Electoral College, the very urban, very populous 'blue' areas of the map would effectively choose the President for the entire country. Guess what ... just like Hillary, Michael Moore is based in NY. One of those 'blue' areas. What a surprise.

But, did Gore win the popular vote? My understanding is that some states, including California, routinely do not count absentee ballots if there aren't enough ballots to change the results in that state. For example, I am told that CA has around 1mm absentee ballots uncounted, because the Gore margin of victory in CA was more than 1mm. So, assuming this is true, the honest answer is that we don't know if Gore won the popular vote, or if he did, by how many votes.


IMHO, it is best to view these desperate moves to subvert the Electoral College as being further evidence of the true liberal disdain for the 'rule of law'. Oh, they use the phrase when it benefits them, but they simply exchange it for 'will of the people' when that better serves their needs.

We're in a political war with these people ... they know it, and we had better remember it. The fight for freedom never ends.

Regards from AZ
 
Rent "Roger and Me" and be entertained. Yeah, Moore is off the tracks lately, but the flic was a great jab at Corporate America. There is a poignant/scathing scene where the rich GMers at Grosse Pointe are throwing a lavish party and use people they just laid off as living statues as part of the entertainment. They studiously ignore them as they stroll around with drinks in their hands. GREAT satire.

I use C-Span as a radio and am SO sick of all these Democratic whiners saying that they won't accept Bush as their president. I wish I had the time to try and get through, because my message would be this: "You don't accept Bush as your president? Well, that's your right. Now get out of the way and let those of us who do accept him get on with the business of restoring some integrity to this country and restoring some validity to the Constitution." (A long-winded way of saying "Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way!")
 
Jeff, the support for changing to a popular vote has been a part of the Green platform for years. Greens pushed it heavily in this last election cycle, which was a time when it seemed that Bush might win the popular vote and Gore win the electoral college. Frankly, what happened this election is a perfect opportunity to raise the question of switching systems. The democans still won't support it but if enough of the population does than maybe it can enter the realm of discussion.

You're right that switching to a popular vote would help urban (center-city) areas somewhat. Truth is, center-cities are _far_ under-represented at this point. Rural areas are slightly under-represented. Suburban areas are who is really helped by the electoral college, which might explain the vast amount of attention given to suburban issues. This is based on the assumption in rightist circles that control by a geographic type of a state's electoral votes (ie, a majority in a state) makes attention be paid to their issues in proportion to their electoral college votes. For example, since there's a suburban majority in state's accounting for almost half of all electoral college votes, a politician can win by basically only focusing on suburban votes. There's a rural majority for about 20% of electoral votes (which is about the rural population in this country). However, there's only an urban majority in one state and DC, accounting for only 11 votes and far below the 30% of the population who lives center-city areas.
 
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