Israel- more gun control than you think

BTR

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So much for Israel as an example of gun rights. The antis can merely point out that Israel does have "sensible" gun control after all, much tighter than what we have a national level. And their sensible gun control is what is "responsible" for their low murder rate, so why don't we adopt these laws as well?
http://www.jpfo.org/israel-firearms.htm

The Israel Dept. of the Interior notifies to all the requirements necessary for the obtaining of a permit to possess a firearm

1. Applicant must be a permanent resident of Israel for 3 consecutive years prior to making application for a firearms permit.

2. Applicant must be 21 years of age.

3. The permit request must be for personal use, not to engage in the business of firearms sales.

4. Applicant must fall into one of the following categories:

a. Part-time reservist (volunteer) for 3 years- may own 1 handgun
b. Such a reservist (volunteer) is a member of a gun club- may own 1 rifle
c. Professional, licensed public transportation driver, transporting a minimum of 5 passengers- may own 1 handgun
d. Licensed animal control officer- may own 2 hunting rifles, *not* full automatic weapons, or semi-automatic weapons
with a limited capacity magazine.
e. Full-time dealer of jewelry or large sums of cash or valuables- may own 1 handgun

West Bank and Gaza Strip Settlers:

1. A resident in a militarily strategic buffer zone, essential to the security of the State of Israel- may own 1 handgun

2. A business owner in these geographic areas- may own 1 handgun

Veterans:

1. Veterans of the Regular Army honorably discharged with the rank of noncommissioned officer, and veterans of the Reserve Army
with the rank of regimental commander- may own 1 handgun

2. Retired law enforcement officers with the rank of sergeant- may own 1 handgun

3. Retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander- may own 1 handgun

Individuals:

Upon presenting documentation that one is about to receive a souvenir, a prize, an inheritance, or an award of appreciation from the
Israel military.
 
Guess what? If they keep ceding territoy to their enemies, those laws will become obselete.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
One interesting aspect of Israeli laws: they are very restrictive, onthe books. However, trying to reclaim all the weapons currently "on loan" among the population is considered impossible by several Israelis that I have talked to. A couple mentioned unloading numerous magazines at anyone trying to disarm them. I think they know full well what keeps them alive.
 
Perhaps it would be wise to mention Isreal only in regards as to the effectiveness of carry legislation, and not to gun laws in general.
 
BTR, Your post scares the beejebas out of me! What concerns me is that a lot of the "pro-gun" folks promote Israel as being one of the least restrictive. I'm almost afraid to quote others without triple checking the facts anymore. :(
 
sumabich, When Israel is used, it's used as an armed populace stat, not as a gun control law stat, just like Switzerland. More guns, more crime vs. More guns, less crime type of stat.

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"Gun Control is Only to Protect Those in Power"
 
these laws are false. I spent two years in Israel and everyone, I mean everyone had a gun. Thos ehtat lived in the west bank had a freakin arsenal. I remember countless days I would hear gunfire of people practicing. The thing is everyone, is part of the army(reserves). If they ever go to war, the whole country mobilizes and kicks some major arse.

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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

--Ayn Rand, in "The Nature of Government"
 
Since the information comes from JPFO- see the link- and it includes the scanned document in Hebrew and the translation- I sincerly doubt that it is false.
 
Doesn't change the fact that Israelis don't give a damn what the laws say in that regard. The fact to keep in mind is they are indeed all armed to the teeth and yet do no kill each other all that regularly, nor do we for that matter.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth
 
Ok I admit they aren't false, but not enforced.

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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

--Ayn Rand, in "The Nature of Government"
 
Vic asked me to add a few words , cause I live in Israel. I think you have to get a few facts right.
I do NOT want to address the legal / political interpretations of the facts.
First -no one has mentioned that Members of Gun Clubs may own more than one weapon. I own two.
Second - you have to separate between the weapons that are BOUGHT by civilians and the weapons ISSUED by the army to civilians.
The criteria of the ministry of the Interior are for civilians that want to buy a handgun , shotgun or rifle.
In all the touchy security areas the ARMY supplies Uzis M-16 jeeps light machine guns and 52 mm mortars for the arsenal of the village.Anyone who is a "graduate" of the Israel Army and in reasonable health and no criminal past or history of mental health problems will be assigned a weapon and put into the rotation of guard duty for the area.
Sometimes non Army "grads " will be given a course by the army and allowed to sign for the weapon to keep at home also.
All this has been applied to the Northern Border with Lebanon for decades as well as the West Bank & Gaza Strip area.
I would like less restrictions in Israel .
Just thought I'd give you a better picture of the facts.
Back to my cave
Shalom (that means peace)
 
Israel's gun laws vs US gun laws are a moot point. Israel exists in a virtual state of perpetual war. Hardly the case here in the US. In the US we have problems with internal crime. In Israel their problem is external. If a druggie or BG steals someone's gun collection here, it gets converted to cash. If a gun collection were to be stolen there(Isreal), it would be used to equip an invading army. There isn't any common sense gun law at work at all. What is at work is a common sense approach to limiting the availibility of arms to an opposing invader.
 
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