Is this true or just tin-foilery?

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I found this on the Frugal Squirrels library:

http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/dir4/excg11.txt

It says, as follows:

On the afternoon of 3/14/89 NRA issued an anti-gun press release
from President Warren Cassidy's office COMMENDING the action of
the Secretary of Treasury to "temporarily" ban the importation of
foreign manufactured semi-automatic rifles. NRA claimed that
this action would provide a better climate for the debate about
whether semi-auto rifles have a "sporting use."
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Can any of the local old-timers tell me if it's true?
 
Yes, it's true. The NRA worked with the Drug Czar, Billy "come on 7!" Bennett to expand the original import ban of AKs and Uzis to many more models in March '89.

The hope was that the import ban would satisfy Howie Metzenbaum and he would let them keep their duck guns.

Ah, yes, the NRA--fighting hard for freedom. :rolleyes:
 
I thought it was Billy "Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!" Bennett. :p

Seriously though, if more than 4 million of us were willing to join the NRA (without regard for its past mistakes) then perhaps the NRA would talk with more authority. Nah! Let's let a tiny few protect freedom. Why go against all of human history? :o
 
Fred, I'll join the NRA when its past mistake are PAST.


I don't WANT a voice that speaks with greater authority when that voice keeps saying the wrong things.
 
J. Warren Cassidy, in part because of this memo, and in part because he couldn't keep his penis in his pants, didn't survive very much longer as NRA's EVP.

The NRA board took actions against the association's highest-ranking employee in part because it did not agree with him.
 
Not to hijack the thread or start a flamewar, but I have to vent here a tiny bit.

I grow really tired of constantly reading that conformist terminology "tin-foil hat" everytime something doesn't fit into the media sculpted perception of how things should be.

It's like going through life only trusting one of your senses.
 
Fred, I'll join the NRA when its past mistake are PAST.
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No organization composed of human beings will ever meet that test.
I don't WANT a voice that speaks with greater authority when that voice keeps saying the wrong things.
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I didn't mean to suggest that it would continue to say the wrong things. In fact, if it had more people like you among its membership, its likelyhood of saying the right things would logically be expected to increase. By definition that is how grassroots organizations work.

The NRA isn't perfect. Nothing is. But here is just some of what they (and spin-offs of the NRA like Friends of NRA) have done for me, and my community.

Keep us up to date on pending legislation, what the implications of said legislation is, what politicians to be suspect of, etc...

Provide funding for our local Hunter Education efforts in which I, and two other fellow islanders teach safe and responsible firearms use.

Provide training for me and my fellow NRA instructors so that we can improve our own skills in addition to helping make us better instructors for our students. Students who range in age from 8-80+. Students who learn everthing from basic home firearm safety to personal protection.

Provide the paperwork, textbooks, visual aids, incentives (patches, badges, certificates, etc) that make disciplined learning fun and rewarding, while instilling a lifelong passion for shooting.

Provide the NRA Foundation and Friends of NRA which in the last 4 years has garnered our little instructor's group $9,100 dollars in equipment (rifles, shotguns, target rifles, rifle/pistol laser trainers, shotgun laser simulator, timers, hearing/eyesight protection, shooting mats, etc...)

Provide the hats, t-shirts, certificates, etc for our annual NRA Shooting Sportsfest Camp for Kids in which 20+ kids enjoy a week long day-camp where we teach shooting, fishing, archery, and general life skills to kids who are going to be lucky enough to grow up as real Americans.

And that's just off the top of my head. And sure, NRA couldn't do any of that without the effort on our end of the bargain, but the point is that because of them we didn't have to try to re-invent the wheel. The opportunity to really pass along the American heritage in a way that (God willing) will be impactful for life in these kids (and the adults we serve), was made manifest in large part by the legacy established by the NRA in 1871.

Some of what they learn may save their life some day. Some of the kids we are able to teach may save our country some day; using skills that we taught them.

All I know is that the people that I reach as a consequence of my affiliation with the NRA tend to have a deeper understanding of the importance of liberty, and a deeper understanding of what it takes to win and defend it. That's good enough for me, warts and all.
 
KSFreeman,

Yes, it's true. The NRA worked with the Drug Czar, Billy "come on 7!" Bennett to expand the original import ban of AKs and Uzis to many more models in March '89.
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Being old enough to remember those days (as I am also) would you say that the NRA of '89 and the NRA of '04 are even remotely the same in tenor?
 
Being old enough to remember those days (as I am also) would you say that the NRA of '89 and the NRA of '04 are even remotely the same in tenor?
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Not even close, and the more political victories we win, the more the NRA will take a harder line. The AWB sunset was a huge victory, but the test will be whether or not people understand that more victories on the heels of the AWB sunset are what is needed, rather than complacency.

If gun owners doubled NRA's ranks after such an event, it would tell politicians volumes about which side their bread is buttered on. Then perhaps more (returned) liberties would be forthcoming. We'll see I guess.
 
Tell me what changed.


Better yet, tell me WHO changed. What change has their been in the top ranks that would support the idea that the NRA is no longer working in the best tradition of Neville Chamberlin?

I'm open - convince me.
 
Tamara, old? *looks about* Who's old? I still see the same smart-mouthed 18 year old in the mirror every morning!

Why just the other day as I was on the ferry to East Ogdenville, which is what we called Shelbyville then, I reached in my pocket for a bee to buy the Sunday paper, I had an onion on my belt which was the style at the time when I was a boy and walked uphill to school both ways in the snow when all this was orchard and . . . these kids today and . . . what's the question again? :D

I pray Fred is right, I fear Quartus is right. Once betrayed one always feels the knife in his back even if it is not there! :(
 
Heh. "Belt", he says. "Sunday paper", he says. Why, you young whippersnapper! In MY day we didn't HAVE belts! We didn't have Sunday papers, either. Why, we didn't have SUNDAYS!!!


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Always have, psych. The new interface has confused more than one old-timer, though. PM me if you want some pointers.



Enough fun! Back to the argumen... uh, discussion!

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I pray Fred is right, I fear Quartus is right. Once betrayed one always feels the knife in his back even if it is not there!
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People believe what they want to believe. I try not to fault them for it, I'll just say that I've seen the difference that NRA makes with my own eyes. I have parents who were rabidly anti-gun who now thank me virtually every time they see me for the fun and enjoyment their kids have at camp, and on our kid's rifle team.

They thank me for the responsible attitude that our instruction has fostered in every aspect of their kid's life. They thank me for the literature that I was able to provide them (through NRA) that has helped them come to grips with the misguided notions they once had about firearms/crime/accidents/negligence/responsibility/etc...

We live in a representative Republic, ergo numbers (in terms of membership) matter. Our legislators are beset on all sides by every special interest group imaginable. Our so-called culture is rife with anti-gun/anti-freedom/anti personal responsibility propaganda and lies whose proportions know no bounds. The groups who foist this foolishness on people are able to convince legislators that they are sizable in number. One need only look at the news media's willingness to report a handful of goose-stepping freedom hating harridans as a Million Mom March to know that this is true.

NRA for good or ill is the largest organization on planet Earth that is attempting to fight back against this intellectually and morally bankrupt tidal wave of fools. In a representative Republic numbers matter. In a grassroots organization the content of the membership's character is what determines the character of the organization. The more pro-freedom the membership is, the more pro-freedom the organization is.

If you are doing more alone (keeping in mind that numbers matter) outside of the largest pro-gun organization on planet Earth to advance the RKBA I'm open to hear about it. Convince me.
 
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Quartus, read what Mike Irwin said - they CHANGED almost immediately, it sounds like, by firing the clown that made the comments! That's swift and sure change by throwing out the bad apple, seems to me, if that's what happened. Fred is right. At the very least Quartus, if you're not joining the NRA, you should give the same money you would have given to NRA, to GOA, SAF, or JPFO instead, I certainly hope. Yeah, I can understand wanting to avoid NRA for its transgressions, but only if you engage in substitute performance - do SOMETHING for RKBA (besides preach to the choir on gun boards). Personally, I don't like the NRA because of their compromises and because they provided a smokescreen for Ruger's traitorious actions, but I'm STILL nevertheless a life member, paid for in just the last 6 years, because they do MUCH good work, despite their failings. But I'm also a making-pmts-on-life member of GOA. After that, I'm gonna join SAF (again). Please tell me you give some moula to SOME group that supports lobbying or court cases for us?

NRA for good or ill is the largest organization on planet Earth that is attempting to fight back against this intellectually and morally bankrupt tidal wave of fools. In a representative Republic numbers matter. In a grassroots organization the content of the membership's character is what determines the character of the organization. The more pro-freedom the membership is, the more pro-freedom the organization is.
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Here, here! You said a mouthful, brotha. Join it, and after 3 (or is it 5 years), you get to vote on Directors, and you can even run for a director spot yourself. Get in and change it for the better! Support the Knox's and Nugents, not the sellout directors - try to get them defeated in the next board election, etc!

Don't get me wrong, Quartus. You're one of my favorite peeps here. :)
 
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