Is this the most Dangerous Remington Yet?

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300magman

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I just bought a new remington 870 supermag waterfowl camo last week. It finally arrived in the mail today and after a quick wipe down I assembled it and took it out to try a few rounds.

Lucky for me, I decided to throw in a few light 1oz loads of birdshot because when I touched one off the gun opened up.

The first time it happened I thought perhaps I had shackled the action slightly when it recoiled because it had only just begun to open, so I fired another shot and the same thing happened....against my better judgement I tried it a third time, without holding my forehand on the grip at all...and without my hand to hold the action closed it opened Considerably.

I'm glad I wasn't firing a shell with any power as it would have cycled the action all the way open and ejected the shell....to say the least.

Here are a few pics of how far the action was opening, just so you can get an idea.

I'm going to call the dealer tomarrow, but who knows how much trouble this is going to turn into...I doubt I'll be lucky enough for them to pay the shipping back ($60) but I'm sure going to fight for it.
 

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Nope, their most dangerous product continues to be the 710/770 series of rifles.

I think it's very reasonable to ask them to pay shipping both ways for what amounts to a DOA defect.
 
My SuperNova does something similiar but it was designed that way. :) I'm not sure about the Remy. When you shoot the SuperNova it will disengage the slide like that just so that it is easier to move. Having said that, I've not noticed mine having that much movement, it just sort of releases the slide more than anything else.

Wish I had a better answer for you but I'm no shotgun guru. Hope they get it fixed for you.
 
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Your supernova is designed that way? :confused: that seems a bit odd, if its blowing back as it recoils isn't it risking some of that pressure coming out the side of the gun? (especially if the shell, no longer contained by the chamber, breaches)

All slides (that I know of) "unlock" allowing the user to shackle in another round without having to manually hit the slide release, but to actually move...I would think there is a mechanism that should prevent that happening until after the full discharge has occured and the user intends the action to move.
 
My SuperNova will unlock the fore-end after firing causing it to slide back about a quarter inch at most but the chamber doesn't open up at all. The fore-end just doesn't stay completely up unless a round is locked in the chamber. Certainly doesn't come open though.
 
Magman: I did not say that the chamber unlocked or moved, only that the slide moved back a little bit. Pretty much what Glock_19 said; guess he said it better. :)

The chamber doesn't open unless I actually pump the slide

Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.
 
remington complaints seem to include most of their current line of products. i guess thats why mossberg is more popular for shotguns now and even savage's reputation seems to be growing over remington rifles. i guess remington is happy producing crap and trying to live off their "reputation".
 
Okay....wait a second. That Youtube Video!
Did I just see that guys 870 open about a half inch as he fired it...did it just do that all by itself like mine or did he do that by accident when it recoiled?
Lets assume the gun did it by accident, that looked a lot like what mine is doing....am I wrong or is that a dangerous defect? I can't imagine that being the way they function now...my other 870's STAY CLOSED :confused:
 
Me and a buddy of mine had recently picked up both 870's. New within the past year. He has the magnum 3.5 and i got the normal 3..Neither of ours do that unless we have force on the fore end already pulling back. I can understand the concept of having it crack open to allow for quick follow up shots but that looks excessive
 
300magman,
Let's go back to square one… take a look at your extracted hulls pics, again. I don't see any indication of any pressure problems. If the bolt had opened while there was significant pressure in the barrel, wouldn't there be some bulging of the plastic and/or brass?
 
Zippy - We can't look at that particular shell, I tossed the 3 fired shells into my truck (as I always pick up at the range) and when I got home I grabbed an empty at random out of the truck to put in there and snap a few quick pics so I could show people how far the gun was coming open....those pics are probably not of one of the actual shells fired in that gun as I didn't have a camera at the range.

But now that you mention it, I will take all the empties out of the truck (about 2 boxes worth) and see if I can tell which 3 were fired from that gun.
 
Q: The action on my Model 870 opens when I fire it. Is this normal?

A: It is the design of the Model 870 for the action bar lock to disengage once the shell has been fired. This enables you to load and fire the second shot with more speed.

If you have any concerns regarding the safe operation of your firearm, you can take it to your closest Remington Authorized Repair Center for evaluation.
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This is the Q&A from the Remington site RoscoeC linked. Personally I find it a somewhat unclear response. The question was "Should it Open" the reply was "It unlocks so that you can cycle it faster". Well, all my old 870s Unlock but they do not open At All, not even a little, and they cycle smoothly and with little resistance once I apply pressure.

So I'm still unclear, should the shotgun start to pump itself...or simply unlock so that I am free to pump it?


I was only using 1oz birdshot...what if I dropped in a 3.5" 2 1/8oz turkey load. It seems like I could expect the pump to come fully back and the shell to eject. Do I dare fire one?
 
Relax. My 870's are well worn and very loosey goosey. If I shoot without my hand on the fore end, the older one will almost eject the shell using low recoil 00 buckshot. With very light one ounce birdshot, and a new gun it may or may not open. So what? Your job is to shoot it until it is so broken in and silky smooth that it does open.

There is no danger here. The breach is locked at the point of ignition and the pressure against the bolt and its locking lug will not allow it to open until the pressure has dissipated, i.e. the charge has left the barrel. Go shoot your new excellent 870, and stop worrying about a problem that doesn't exist.
 
Over the years I’ve owned a bunch of pump guns. Remington, Ithaca, Winchester, Mossberg and even a S&W. All work basicly the same way. Upon firing the slide stop is released so bolt can be unlocked and you can pump the hull out. I have never had any brand that would unlock and move the bolt back after firing. Even my grandson’s new 870 Express with all its problems doesn’t do this.

What a shame, at one time Remington was a great gun. Now their design and quality control has gone to hell.
 
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I think I need to find a qualified gunsmith to ask this question.

On one hand I have all my previous experience being backed up by posters such as Hog Buster and on the other hand I have guys like RoscoeC saying exactly the opposite and making it sound like a question that is so obvious I shouldn't have even had to ask.

I love life's little dilemmas! :o
 
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