Is this really legal?

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Who knows for sure, except the BATF. Even then if it is legal but they perceive it not to be you'll have the burden of proof. Probably a question better asked in the NAF forums where the guys are much more knowledgeable than I.

I've shot plenty of fully automatic firearms thanks to my time in the Military. Full auto is overrated and only for mall ninjas except in a fire fight where suppressive fire is needed. Precision shooting is much more interesting IMO. Three rounds is about all you can accurately put on target with an M16 that is why they don't issue them in full auto anymore anyway.
 
You don't need a specal stock to do that. It is all about technique. I've got to wonder if the stock really helps at all. Maybe!
 
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You don't need a specal stock to do that. It is all about technique. I've got to wonder if the stock really helps at all. Maybe!
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I can bump fire, just can't hit what I'm aiming at. This device looks like it could change that.
 
The ATF apparently says that it's legal at this time. All I can say is this: There's a member on this site who created something very similar, apparently got ATF approval, put a ton of money into it, then the ATF rescinded the approval.

Before I bought one of these, I'd ask for a copy of the approval letter to see just how it was described to the ATF in order to gain the approval.
 
Looks pretty cool. Don't really care what their certificate says, I would not want to be caught with that on my gun. Too expensive for me anyway. Does have the tacticool points though.
 
There has been considerable discussion about the slide-stocks, on these forums. The manufacturer claims them to be legal. One of the members here got an ATF response that said it was legal (another thread - probably about a year ago).

But... it all comes back to what others have already said:
The ATF apparently says that it's legal at this time. All I can say is this: There's a member on this site who created something very similar, apparently got ATF approval, put a ton of money into it, then the ATF rescinded the approval.
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...Which reminds me of SKSs that are not 922r compliant, but are in aftermarket stocks. The ATF's position on them, is: 'So long as the bayonet has been removed, and no other modifications are made - compliance with 922r is not required'. Yet, the regulations clearly state that you are in violation, as soon as you drop the barreled action in that new stock... ("assembling" the firearm).
 
It reminds me of the Akins Accelerator. Brilliant idea. BATFE seemed to approve it...and then said it didn't approve it. Required folks who had them to disassemble them and turn in the springs. It should have been legal, per BATFE rules and definitions.

The bottom line - if the device really works and anyone can use it to simulate full-auto fire (not like those hell-fire thingies) while firing from the shoulder, BATFE ain't gonna like it. Also, if you are going to get one - you really need to keep the literature with you at all times, because local LEO's could give you a hard time.
 
ATF and lawyers will have to decide legality.
There used to be a crank affair you could put on a 10/22 trigger to make or simulate full auto. Dunno if it is legal. Don't see any use for it.
There is (was?) a .22 lr brass replica of a Gatling gun that fires like full auto when the crank is turned. My understand is that it is legal. It is a beautiful replica. It is also very expensive.
 
Full auto is not all it is cracked up to be plus the ammo cost are staggering.
In my area there is not a range that would allow it.
 
Full auto is not all it is cracked up to be plus the ammo cost are staggering.
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What, ammo gets cheaper the more times you have to pull the trigger? :rolleyes:

Full auto has its uses, and the gun has nothing to do with wasting ammo.

In my area there is not a range that would allow it.
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Many if not most places dont allow it, and its been that way for a long time. Those of us with full autos have always been the bastard children of the firearms disciplines, and often shunned by those who either dont like them for whatever reason, or now cant afford them.

I dont know how many times Ive been told by other "gun people" I shouldnt have mine and they just make us all look bad. :rolleyes:

Its also amazing how little most gun people know when it comes to what the guns are, what you physically can and cant do with them, and what the laws are as it relates to them are.

Im sure the insurance companies have a lot to do with the range issues, that and fear of looking bad and political correctness. Just like you cant shoot at targets that look like people many places.

Oh well, so much for scary things in the world of the afraid. :rolleyes:
 
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