IS there a good thing about Trigger Creep?

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Jamie Young

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I hear a lot of complaining about trigger creep but I've noticed its actually a good thing sometimes.

My guns that have the least creep Model 70 and My Marlin 22Mag rifle are the ones that give me more wild shots.

Click Bang Click Bang Then I have a tight 1MOA group with one stray bullet an inch to the right. NOW IT'S NO LONGER 1MOA:mad:

I don't think I've ever fired a gun with a 2 stage trigger but I've seen them in ads for M1A's. Whats the good thing about 2 Stage triggers?

I'm starting to like Creepy triggers:confused:

AM I WEIRD?:)
 
I kind of like the creep in my Glock. Reminiscent of a good 2 stage trigger like on the M1A. I believe the only way to obtain a safe, light feeling trigger on the M1A is with a 2 stage trigger. The 2nd stage on my M1A breaks around 1.5 lb. No way to get a safe pull like that with a single stage trigger without the worry of doubling or going FA with the M1A.

I like both styles of triggers. Same thing only different. ;)
 
There is a world of difference between a creepy trigger and a two-stage trigger. In a good two-stage trigger, you take up the slack and then the actual break is very crisp. The actual pounds of force to make the break can vary quite a bit. "Clean break" does not necessarily mean a low-force trigger pull.

The problem with what's called a creepy trigger is that you never really know when it will break. It creeps and creeps and sooner or later goes bang. This means that you have to hold your sight picture for an inordinately long time. If you are not on a bench rest, it's almost impossible to get a good group.

Whether or not one uses a one- or two-stage trigger setup, the best trigger is that which breaks cleanly, like "breaking a glass rod".

If you are having trouble with flyers when you are shooting for a tight group, it is either inherent in the rifle as it is at that time (needs "tuning") or you are varying your sight picture without realizing it; or, even, moving the rifle slightly. Canting can also be a part of the problem. Regardless, your odds are better with a clean, crisp break.

And I'm pretty strongly opinionated on this, compared to my usual, less dogmatic "pronunciamentos". :)

Art
 
My Model 70 is driving me nuts. I can shoot Sporting Clays at 300yds but I can't shoot a consistant 1MOA group. I think its concentration. Every time I have a zinger I know its going to be a Zinger. I pull the trigger, swear, and then look at the zinger an inch outside BALL ONE!!!

I'm the one that brings a Bar of Soap to wash my own mouth out after a day with my 30/06. I think I'm going to try lighter loads and see if I'm just hammering myself too hard.

Art,
What do you mean by "Altering My Sight Picture"?
 
Hi, Soda Pop and guys,

There is a difference between a "creepy" trigger pull and a hard or long one. A creepy pull varies during the pull, as if one is dragging a wagon over a road full of chuck holes. Usually, a creepy pull can be smoothed up by stoning, but care must be used if the surfaces involved are only case hardened and stoning cuts through the hardness.

The mistake many shooters make is to think about the trigger pull. The old advice to concentrate on the sights and squeeze the trigger applies very well and, if followed, can result in good shooting even with a hard or long pull.

A really creepy trigger can defy the best techniques, though, and sometimes the only real solutions are to have it corrected or find another rifle.

Jim
 
Not to compare w/ your M70 SodaPop, But I've learned a lot from shoot my Norinco SKS.

These have a really weird trigger assy. They are "Grainy" and "Scratchy" and you never know when they will 'let off'.

Lot's of folks say that you can correct this w/ a 'trigger job' but I've just learned to live w/ it. ie. - I concentrate HARD on my sight picture and DO NOT "ANTICIPATE" the 'Breakpoint'.

If I do my part, when it goes BANG, it hits at POA.

Believe it or not shooting my crappy SKS has really helped my accuracy w/ my Bolt Actions!!! I learned from my SKS and now use the same 'hold the sight picture and SQUEEEEESE' the trigger and don't think about when it will let off.

Actuall I LOVE my SKS!!! :)
 
Creepy triggers are crap!

I think there is only one thing I hate more than creepy triggers, a creepy trigger with a heavy breaking point. I find with creepy triggers that the gun starts to shake as I pull the trigger. My Remington HAD a creepy trigger which broke at 4.5 lbs. When I was shooting at 100 yards with the scope cranked to 20X I could see the reticle start to shake. Crisp and light is the only way to go to get consistent accuracy and to maintain focus.
 
SodaPop: It's quite possible to think your eye is seeing exactly the same sight picture as the previous shot, but you ain't. :)

With iron sights, there is just a leetle smidgen of offset high or low or to the sides. Or, with a scope, the crosshairs are just that little bit off-center--and you just don't realize it. And with a scope, a slight bit of canting is always a hazard.

I sorta think that guesstimating between the lines on a micrometer and/or slide rule since I was a kid has always helped me center the crosshairs of a scope. I dunno. Something of that sort helps me...

One trick I use is to draw a thick black "level line" across the top of my backstop. I then staple my targets to that line so that the vertical and horizontal lines are exact--and I align the crosshairs with them. I always use the targets with the 1" squares and square aiming points.

FWIW, Art
 
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