Is the pump-action shotguns magazine that second barrel?
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If you mean the tube under the barrel, yes. Chambering works by the magazine spring pushing rounds toward the reciever. When you pump the action back, the spent shell is ejected. When you slide it back, a round gets fliped into line with the bore and pushed in with the bolt. That's the basics of it, someone could probably explain it better than me.
The basics are that after you fire you pull back the forend. That extracts and ejects the empty case.At that point the shell carrier [the long hinged piece on the bottom] drops down and a round comes on to the carrier from the tubular magazine .You then push the forend forward and the carrier rises and puts the round up in front of the bolt and the bolt moves the round forward into the chamber. The rearward movement of the bolt has already cocked the hammer so the gun is ready to fire.
Lord_Nikon
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I'm getting scared. Aparrently the marines don't teach recruits how any weapons function any more.
NSO_w/_SIG
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Based on all his threads
They haven't shown him how to use a search button either.
I mean every single thread is of such a basic nature all the answers could easily be found by merely closing your eyes, rolling your mouse and clicking on a random thread.
Sorry sometimes I just think people post stuff just to see their name on the screen or their post count go up.
They haven't shown him how to use a search button either.
I mean every single thread is of such a basic nature all the answers could easily be found by merely closing your eyes, rolling your mouse and clicking on a random thread.
Sorry sometimes I just think people post stuff just to see their name on the screen or their post count go up.
Nso
Your reply was unneccessary and not in the spirit of this forum.
It was a valid question. I cannot speak for the Marines, but the Army does not cover the shotgun unless you are in an MOS or a combat situation that requires it's use. It is possible that usmarine just doesn't have the same experience with weapons outside of his/her service arms.
For those of you who took a moment to say something constructive to my fellow servicemember, thank you.
For NSO w/SIG: if you can't come up with anything more than a blind accusation, keep your fingers off the bloody keyboard.
For usmarine: yes, the tube under the barrel is the magazine. When you pull the slide back, it pushes a shell onto the carrier and simultaneously ejects the empty. When you push it forward, the carrier moves up and pushes the round into the chamber.
Hope that helps you. Keep on doing what you do. From an Army Grunt to a Devil Dog.... Hoorah, carry on!
Your reply was unneccessary and not in the spirit of this forum.
It was a valid question. I cannot speak for the Marines, but the Army does not cover the shotgun unless you are in an MOS or a combat situation that requires it's use. It is possible that usmarine just doesn't have the same experience with weapons outside of his/her service arms.
For those of you who took a moment to say something constructive to my fellow servicemember, thank you.
For NSO w/SIG: if you can't come up with anything more than a blind accusation, keep your fingers off the bloody keyboard.
For usmarine: yes, the tube under the barrel is the magazine. When you pull the slide back, it pushes a shell onto the carrier and simultaneously ejects the empty. When you push it forward, the carrier moves up and pushes the round into the chamber.
Hope that helps you. Keep on doing what you do. From an Army Grunt to a Devil Dog.... Hoorah, carry on!
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Lord_Nikon
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38splfan said:
They don't teach the M4 either? Or the M16? Or the M9? Etc, etc, ad nauseum...
I wonder what they do teach.
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Lord_Nikon
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Exactly.
chris in va
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In other forums we call this a 'troll'.
Teaching.
Lord_Nikon:
The weapon that was used for BRM instruction when I was in basic training (2002), and the one currently instructed with, is the M-16.
The M-4 is not yet Army-Wide, as such it is up to the individual unit to teach personnel to use what weapons are in the units armsroom.
For example, the combat shotgun is widely used by MP's and Infantry, so they train with it.
The M-9 is also primarily an special use weapon. (MP's, officers, etc.) and as such is not tought during Basic Rifle Marksmanship.
I am not saying that it is a good system, and I wish that all servicemembers had more familiarization with all weapons, but we don't. This is one of the items on my "If I ran the Army.." list.
The fact remains, most US Army personnel will never see official training on the shotgun, pistol, or other special purpose weapons unless their unit has the weapons. Once again I am not speaking for the Marines as I am not familiar with their training standards.
As far as I am aware, as the M-4 makes it's way into the ordnance mainstream, the M-16's will be refurbed and distributed to training units, so it does not appear that there will be much change in the Army marksmanship program.
Another pertinent observation: I saw the combat shotgun used very little in Mosul while I was there, except as a breaching tool. The units that we worked with had breaching team personnel carrying two weapons. The M-4 as a primary, and the breaching shotgun (pistol grip, don't know the model) slung snug and out of the way.
once again this is my personal experience and not necessarily the same throughout the service. It is based on the best information possible from two years of experience and research from the US Army MOS library online.
Edit: After reading the additional posts, just let me re-iterate that, as usual, I am not trying to offend anyone, and apologize if anyone feels that way.
Whether the poster is a Marine or not, NSO's post was very impolite and not in the spirit of civil conversation fostered by this board.
The rest of the info is an attempt to give a little more insight on the current Army Basic Rifle Marksmanship program, and to answer the question asked by Lord_Nikon. I hope it did so and would be happy to answer others as best as possible.
Lord_Nikon:
The weapon that was used for BRM instruction when I was in basic training (2002), and the one currently instructed with, is the M-16.
The M-4 is not yet Army-Wide, as such it is up to the individual unit to teach personnel to use what weapons are in the units armsroom.
For example, the combat shotgun is widely used by MP's and Infantry, so they train with it.
The M-9 is also primarily an special use weapon. (MP's, officers, etc.) and as such is not tought during Basic Rifle Marksmanship.
I am not saying that it is a good system, and I wish that all servicemembers had more familiarization with all weapons, but we don't. This is one of the items on my "If I ran the Army.." list.
The fact remains, most US Army personnel will never see official training on the shotgun, pistol, or other special purpose weapons unless their unit has the weapons. Once again I am not speaking for the Marines as I am not familiar with their training standards.
As far as I am aware, as the M-4 makes it's way into the ordnance mainstream, the M-16's will be refurbed and distributed to training units, so it does not appear that there will be much change in the Army marksmanship program.
Another pertinent observation: I saw the combat shotgun used very little in Mosul while I was there, except as a breaching tool. The units that we worked with had breaching team personnel carrying two weapons. The M-4 as a primary, and the breaching shotgun (pistol grip, don't know the model) slung snug and out of the way.
once again this is my personal experience and not necessarily the same throughout the service. It is based on the best information possible from two years of experience and research from the US Army MOS library online.
Edit: After reading the additional posts, just let me re-iterate that, as usual, I am not trying to offend anyone, and apologize if anyone feels that way.
Whether the poster is a Marine or not, NSO's post was very impolite and not in the spirit of civil conversation fostered by this board.
The rest of the info is an attempt to give a little more insight on the current Army Basic Rifle Marksmanship program, and to answer the question asked by Lord_Nikon. I hope it did so and would be happy to answer others as best as possible.
Wow!
After reading some of "usmarine"s posts, I feel very much like a jackass
If indeed usmarine is a Marine, he is lacking skills and knowledge related even to the M-16.
Either he is not a very high-speed Marine, or Corps BRM was ineffective.
His general lack of military knowledge now has me confused.
Most service-members have at least a little bit of military info/trivia stored in there. Especially regarding weapons function. And some of his questions are things the Corps should have answered, and now leave me with doubts about his service.
I hope that he would not intentionally adopt the name of a service he was/is not part of.
To all, I apologize.
To NSO in particular- While I do think that you were a bit impolite in your response, I apologize for my retort. Reading it now it seems offensive, and I regret not dissagreeing in a more polite manner. My most sincere apologies.
After reading some of "usmarine"s posts, I feel very much like a jackass
If indeed usmarine is a Marine, he is lacking skills and knowledge related even to the M-16.
Either he is not a very high-speed Marine, or Corps BRM was ineffective.
His general lack of military knowledge now has me confused.
Most service-members have at least a little bit of military info/trivia stored in there. Especially regarding weapons function. And some of his questions are things the Corps should have answered, and now leave me with doubts about his service.
I hope that he would not intentionally adopt the name of a service he was/is not part of.
To all, I apologize.
To NSO in particular- While I do think that you were a bit impolite in your response, I apologize for my retort. Reading it now it seems offensive, and I regret not dissagreeing in a more polite manner. My most sincere apologies.
Lord_Nikon
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Accepted happily. 
NSO_w/_SIG
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Yup
That is why at the top of my post I said "Based on all his threads".
Every single one of them he starts are of this nature.
That is like calling myself mr.mustang guy or something and then going into a mustang forum and asking what the two pipes coming out the back of my car are.
That is why at the top of my post I said "Based on all his threads".
Every single one of them he starts are of this nature.
That is like calling myself mr.mustang guy or something and then going into a mustang forum and asking what the two pipes coming out the back of my car are.
I'm sorry everyone...
...you've propably missunderstood.
I'm not a Marine, my friend is. He made me my profile. I wouldn't thought that he'll write this screen name and I don't know how to change it.
I'm sorry everyone, again.
I have my first gun just a few months ago and Jerry told me this site. And he has waken up my interesst to all sorts of weapons.
...you've propably missunderstood.
I'm not a Marine, my friend is. He made me my profile. I wouldn't thought that he'll write this screen name and I don't know how to change it.
I'm sorry everyone, again.
I have my first gun just a few months ago and Jerry told me this site. And he has waken up my interesst to all sorts of weapons.
"USMarine"
Just to be clear, I don't think anyone here has a problem answering your questions, no matter how basic they may seem. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm fairly certain most guys here are happy to answer all your questions and share their knowledge. I know I am. Someone answered all my stupid questions when I first got interested in guns and its only fair I return the favor by also helping out a new guy, now that I know a bit more.
That said, with a handle like "USMarine" people expect you to have more knowledge on weapons. "Marine" is a title that is earned - like doctor, esquire (lawyer), or judge. I can use the title "Esquire" after my name because I earned it by going to law school, passing the bar exam, and being admitted to practice law. If someone has the title "Doctor" in front of their name, its because they earned it by going to medical school and going through the lengthy process to practice medicine (or earning a doctoral degree in some specialized field of study). Similarly, the term "Marine" is a title that is earned by joining and serving your country in the United States Marine Corps.
I'm sure you meant no harm with that name but its not a title you earned, so perhaps you might consider a change. For what its worth, I hope you'll stick around and continue to ask and learn, though. You seem like you have a genuine interest and thats what a forum like this is all about; sharing knowledge.
Just to be clear, I don't think anyone here has a problem answering your questions, no matter how basic they may seem. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm fairly certain most guys here are happy to answer all your questions and share their knowledge. I know I am. Someone answered all my stupid questions when I first got interested in guns and its only fair I return the favor by also helping out a new guy, now that I know a bit more.
That said, with a handle like "USMarine" people expect you to have more knowledge on weapons. "Marine" is a title that is earned - like doctor, esquire (lawyer), or judge. I can use the title "Esquire" after my name because I earned it by going to law school, passing the bar exam, and being admitted to practice law. If someone has the title "Doctor" in front of their name, its because they earned it by going to medical school and going through the lengthy process to practice medicine (or earning a doctoral degree in some specialized field of study). Similarly, the term "Marine" is a title that is earned by joining and serving your country in the United States Marine Corps.
I'm sure you meant no harm with that name but its not a title you earned, so perhaps you might consider a change. For what its worth, I hope you'll stick around and continue to ask and learn, though. You seem like you have a genuine interest and thats what a forum like this is all about; sharing knowledge.
too many choices!?
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You should be sorry 38splfan.....
You jumped on one of your own(TFLers) thinking we were being anti social when if this guy is a US Marine I am a ham sandwich with cheese.....
I won't go so far as calling him a troll...but poser works just as well(I say this meanig no more harm than is due in using the name of the ARMED SERVICEES that have earned the titles....I don't think he took that name as an homage to them either.......if so Marines Rock or something would be better 
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You will find most people on this board don't like seeing the services used as an assumed title but one earned with BLOOD, SWEAT, and TEARS........... Don't pretend to be who u are not and you will be liked alot more !
P.S A name change would eliminate these good natured ribbings A shotgun is like any other gun with a tube magazine same idea as most lever action guns but with a pump cycler...
You jumped on one of your own(TFLers) thinking we were being anti social when if this guy is a US Marine I am a ham sandwich with cheese.....
I won't go so far as calling him a troll...but poser works just as well(I say this meanig no more harm than is due in using the name of the ARMED SERVICEES that have earned the titles....I don't think he took that name as an homage to them either.......if so Marines Rock or something would be better . You will find most people on this board don't like seeing the services used as an assumed title but one earned with BLOOD, SWEAT, and TEARS........... Don't pretend to be who u are not and you will be liked alot more
!P.S A name change would eliminate these good natured ribbings
A shotgun is like any other gun with a tube magazine same idea as most lever action guns but with a pump cycler...too many choices!?
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U.S. Marine I don't think an apology is needed as no malice was intended.....
Just did not know what to make of you with that name and those questions ...just didn't smell right. Thanx for the explaination I will have no more trouble responding to your questions and the ribbing will stop when I run out of jokes..... Welcome to the board .....May it be as good to you as it has been to me
ps If you do a search of the treads you can find alot of the basic imfo on most firearms out there it's fun and educational
. Without new questions then nobody gets to flex their mental muscle
Just did not know what to make of you with that name and those questions ...just didn't smell right. Thanx for the explaination I will have no more trouble responding to your questions and the ribbing will stop when I run out of jokes.....
Welcome to the board .....May it be as good to you as it has been to me ps If you do a search of the treads you can find alot of the basic imfo on most firearms out there it's fun and educational
. Without new questions then nobody gets to flex their mental muscle IZinterrogator
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I think the solution to usmarine's curiousity is obvious
TFL needs to have a range day in NE PA where usmarine could try out all of the weapons he has asked about. I'd take him myself, but my current location makes it slightly difficult. My normal location of Fort Hood wouldn't help either. Too bad, I try to replicate my company arms room in my collection (Mossberg 590A1, M9, AR-15). All I need now is a Benelli M4 Super90 and I'm set.
TFL needs to have a range day in NE PA where usmarine could try out all of the weapons he has asked about. I'd take him myself, but my current location makes it slightly difficult. My normal location of Fort Hood wouldn't help either. Too bad, I try to replicate my company arms room in my collection (Mossberg 590A1, M9, AR-15). All I need now is a Benelli M4 Super90 and I'm set.