Is the HK USP40c worth the money
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DCloudy777
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Every penny...
DanO
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Interestingly (is that a word), none of the Hks are moving in my area. Local gun store has had the same 5 HKs for a couple months. Yes, the prices are higher, and it's worth it, but maybe people aren't willing to fork over the $$. If you're not in any hurry, I'd wait a little while and see if the prices drop some. Might be able to find a used one (if that's what you're looking for), for a great price.
My friend went to trade his USP 40.C in on a Glock 17 (needed it for work and didn't shoot the HK very much) and all the store could muster was $375 for it. Went into the store a couple weeks later and they still had it, marked for the low to mid $500s (jack up rip-off artists - just give me what it's worth
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I've had my 9mm compact for a couple years and like it (except for the trademark heavy DA trigger). Paid close to $750 new, but that was when they first came out with the compact.
My friend went to trade his USP 40.C in on a Glock 17 (needed it for work and didn't shoot the HK very much) and all the store could muster was $375 for it. Went into the store a couple weeks later and they still had it, marked for the low to mid $500s (jack up rip-off artists - just give me what it's worth
).I've had my 9mm compact for a couple years and like it (except for the trademark heavy DA trigger). Paid close to $750 new, but that was when they first came out with the compact.
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m3bullet
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The HK USP40 Compact is pricey, but its' combination of quality, accuracy, features, size, feel, you name it, make it my favorite pistol.
The 40C with factory night sights normally lists for $775-800 in SoCal, however, I noticed a decent sale last fall and picked one up for $669:
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You can contact me via PMessage if you have more specific questions. Good luck.
The HK USP40 Compact is pricey, but its' combination of quality, accuracy, features, size, feel, you name it, make it my favorite pistol.
The 40C with factory night sights normally lists for $775-800 in SoCal, however, I noticed a decent sale last fall and picked one up for $669:
Turner's Outdoorsman Ad
You can contact me via PMessage if you have more specific questions. Good luck.
Normalizer
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They are defintely getting expensive, and parts can be difficult to find according to my smith, but I have NEVER regretted getting either my compact .45 or my full size 9mm.
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"...jack up rip-off artists - just give me what it's worth..."
If they give you the market value of the gun, then sell it for the market value, they make no profit and go out of business. How do you think they pay their overhead (rent, taxes, employees, electric bill, etc.) not to mention make some profit, if they buy things for the same price they sell them?
"...jack up rip-off artists - just give me what it's worth..."
If they give you the market value of the gun, then sell it for the market value, they make no profit and go out of business. How do you think they pay their overhead (rent, taxes, employees, electric bill, etc.) not to mention make some profit, if they buy things for the same price they sell them?
Archer1440
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Try to get one with the 2001 (AB) date code or later, the triggers are much improved.
Honestly, no.
I've got 2 usps: UPSc .45 and USPc .40.
The DA trigger is HORRENDOUS. Takes two fingers and a come-along. I wouldn't ever carry hammer down, but if you would, then my Sig 239 is a much better option.
The SA trigger is OK. Not as good as my Sig 239. Nowhere near a 1911 trigger.
Recoil is soft, but muzzle rise is great.
Sights are not good. In particular, the slot in the rear sight is too small.
The safety is not as good as a 1911 -- it's a bit mushy. And if you push it too far, you decock.
The .45 is just a bit too big, so that I can't reach the mag release with my thumb. I can reach it with my index finger. If I only carried the USPc .45, it wouldn't be a problem. But I'm trained to hit the mag release with my thumb, so the USPc .45 is different, and thus something that I would probably fumble under stress. This is a problem for me, but might not be a problem for you. I can reach the mag release on a .40 with my thumb.
The slides of both the .40 and .45 USPc are f*ckin huge! Compare them against a 1911 slide and you'll see what I mean. Completely unnecessary and inexcusable, IMNSHO. These are supposed to be guns for carrying concealed. What part of "concealed" doesn't HK understand?
The feed lips of the magazines are SHARP. Watch your fingers (ouch! ouch! ouch!). Another STUPID design.
Don't get me wrong, the USPcs are decent guns. Reasonably accurate and very reliable. But they don't do it for me. My Kimber Compact was about the same price, is smaller, more accurate, has less muzzle rise, and has a better trigger. Of course, it wasn't as reliable out of the box.
YMMV.
M1911
I've got 2 usps: UPSc .45 and USPc .40.
The DA trigger is HORRENDOUS. Takes two fingers and a come-along. I wouldn't ever carry hammer down, but if you would, then my Sig 239 is a much better option.
The SA trigger is OK. Not as good as my Sig 239. Nowhere near a 1911 trigger.
Recoil is soft, but muzzle rise is great.
Sights are not good. In particular, the slot in the rear sight is too small.
The safety is not as good as a 1911 -- it's a bit mushy. And if you push it too far, you decock.
The .45 is just a bit too big, so that I can't reach the mag release with my thumb. I can reach it with my index finger. If I only carried the USPc .45, it wouldn't be a problem. But I'm trained to hit the mag release with my thumb, so the USPc .45 is different, and thus something that I would probably fumble under stress. This is a problem for me, but might not be a problem for you. I can reach the mag release on a .40 with my thumb.
The slides of both the .40 and .45 USPc are f*ckin huge! Compare them against a 1911 slide and you'll see what I mean. Completely unnecessary and inexcusable, IMNSHO. These are supposed to be guns for carrying concealed. What part of "concealed" doesn't HK understand?
The feed lips of the magazines are SHARP. Watch your fingers (ouch! ouch! ouch!). Another STUPID design.
Don't get me wrong, the USPcs are decent guns. Reasonably accurate and very reliable. But they don't do it for me. My Kimber Compact was about the same price, is smaller, more accurate, has less muzzle rise, and has a better trigger. Of course, it wasn't as reliable out of the box.
YMMV.M1911
They are nice, but I think too pricey. Sometimes I wonder if they make their money on the pistols or the magazines. Both will cost you a pretty penny.
I has a USP Compact Stainless in .40 that I used for qualifications. It wasn't the most accurate weapon out there, but it was serviceable. For a Compact Concealed Carry weapon it is rather large. Not what you would consider a compact. If you can hide one of those you can pretty much hide a full size weapon.
I ended up trading it off because I wanted another weapon. I liked the option of carrying cocked n locked or DA/SA, but otherwise I didn't see anything else special about the weapon.
Good Shooting
RED
I has a USP Compact Stainless in .40 that I used for qualifications. It wasn't the most accurate weapon out there, but it was serviceable. For a Compact Concealed Carry weapon it is rather large. Not what you would consider a compact. If you can hide one of those you can pretty much hide a full size weapon.
I ended up trading it off because I wanted another weapon. I liked the option of carrying cocked n locked or DA/SA, but otherwise I didn't see anything else special about the weapon.
Good Shooting
RED
Funny, but mine is an AB date code and I think the DA trigger is STILL heavy. I'd hate to know just how bad the older triggers were!
I disagree with the notion that DA triggers are supposed to be heavy. The hedge against an AD is the length of the pull. If you're nervous and you'll pulling a trigger all the way through 3/4" of movement then you must REALLY be nervous! Having a heavy, gritty trigger means you'll probably jerk the shot real bad and kill somebody standing to the side of your attacker. I can indeed shoot my USPc well in DA mode, but I have to hold a firm grip and concentrate. A quick DA shot won't land anywhere near the A-Zone. Of course, my Beretta is just as bad. On the other hand though, my Kahr P9 will put them anywhere I want.
I disagree with the notion that DA triggers are supposed to be heavy. The hedge against an AD is the length of the pull. If you're nervous and you'll pulling a trigger all the way through 3/4" of movement then you must REALLY be nervous! Having a heavy, gritty trigger means you'll probably jerk the shot real bad and kill somebody standing to the side of your attacker. I can indeed shoot my USPc well in DA mode, but I have to hold a firm grip and concentrate. A quick DA shot won't land anywhere near the A-Zone. Of course, my Beretta is just as bad. On the other hand though, my Kahr P9 will put them anywhere I want.
Archer1440
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If you aren't planning to carry the weapon cocked and locked as designed, then, I agree the DA is heavy. It's a defensive weapon. Under those circumstances I don't think you'll notice how heavy the pull is. Ask someone who has "seen the elephant", I have not.
HOWEVER, if you insist on a light DA action, than the LEM trigger assembly (staged dual hammer) is available for the .40c and it works very, very well.
The LEM action is similar to, and superior to, the LDA on the Para Ordnance, and smoother than the Walther P99QA.
M1911, you slay me. You have that long list of things you don't like about the USP compacts... and somehow you bought TWO of them...
HOWEVER, if you insist on a light DA action, than the LEM trigger assembly (staged dual hammer) is available for the .40c and it works very, very well.
The LEM action is similar to, and superior to, the LDA on the Para Ordnance, and smoother than the Walther P99QA.
M1911, you slay me. You have that long list of things you don't like about the USP compacts... and somehow you bought TWO of them...
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I thought I'd find the DAO trigger on my .45 var7 a problem, but I really don't. It's definitely a much better made weapon than my G19.
Just don't feed it any Wolf!
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Mo_Zam_Beek
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M1911 - The safety is not as good as a 1911 -- it's a bit mushy. And if you push it too far, you decock.
Are you sure you own one? Safe is up, decock is down (V1) - smells a bit trollish - esp considering your handle.
M1911 - The slides of both the .40 and .45 USPc are f*ckin huge! Compare them against a 1911 slide and you'll see what I mean. Completely unnecessary and inexcusable, IMNSHO. These are supposed to be guns for carrying concealed. What part of "concealed" doesn't HK understand?
Yes - go to the kimber sight and the HK sight. Do the comparison - I just did last week - if memory serves me - 100'ths of an inch and the HK weighs less, costs less (AL/Stainless), does not have reliability problems out of the box, the polymer frame will out last the AL frame, and the HK has a higer capacity.
Are they too expensive - yes.
Are they worth the money - eye of the beholder question. Those that buy a new Kimber CDP then go have it tweeked to be reliable - feel that in the end it is worth it to them b/c it is what feel comfy with and like.
Glock shooters - same deal.
Do some homework on the net - search for feeding problems, KBs, reliability issues, compare sizes and weights.
In the end the answer will be clear.
Are you sure you own one? Safe is up, decock is down (V1) - smells a bit trollish - esp considering your handle.
M1911 - The slides of both the .40 and .45 USPc are f*ckin huge! Compare them against a 1911 slide and you'll see what I mean. Completely unnecessary and inexcusable, IMNSHO. These are supposed to be guns for carrying concealed. What part of "concealed" doesn't HK understand?
Yes - go to the kimber sight and the HK sight. Do the comparison - I just did last week - if memory serves me - 100'ths of an inch and the HK weighs less, costs less (AL/Stainless), does not have reliability problems out of the box, the polymer frame will out last the AL frame, and the HK has a higer capacity.
Are they too expensive - yes.
Are they worth the money - eye of the beholder question. Those that buy a new Kimber CDP then go have it tweeked to be reliable - feel that in the end it is worth it to them b/c it is what feel comfy with and like.
Glock shooters - same deal.
Do some homework on the net - search for feeding problems, KBs, reliability issues, compare sizes and weights.
In the end the answer will be clear.