I noticed in my local paper the other day that Virginia Governor Tim Kaine has been named as the new Chairman of the DNC. Everything I've found about this guy has shown him to be at least less hostile to RKBA if not even mildy pro-gun. Does anyone know anything else about Gov. Kaine?
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Is the Democratic Party coming around?
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LucifersPants
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?Is the Democratic Party coming around
No, they're not...not as long as there are still tragedies to be exploited for one's politcal glory.
luvsasmith
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LOL
johnwilliamson062
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Everyone in Ohio is pretty happy with Stricklands 2A record.
i dont know but Virginia is often slow to change and doesnt really handle radical views too well. old state, bible belt, tobacco money, military presence...alot of things.
radicals dont seem to get the cushy spotlight here like cali. coulda done worse i guess. MOR.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tim_Kaine_Gun_Control.htm
radicals dont seem to get the cushy spotlight here like cali. coulda done worse i guess. MOR.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tim_Kaine_Gun_Control.htm
Bartholomew Roberts
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Well, they have a commanding number of votes in the House and Senate and Obama has appointed several longstanding anti-gun types to his Administration. I suppose we will get to see what kind of progress has been made in the coming year; but color me skeptical still.
Oh make no mistake, I'm not about to go switching parties (there are too many other issues that I care about) nor do I think that I'm gonna see Ted Kennedy or Chuch Schumer at the next gun show perusing the AR's and AK's. However, I'm seeing an increasing number of pro or at least less anti-RKBA Democrats to give me hope that perhaps the party in general is moving on to other issues (after all, harping on gun control hasn't worked too well for them in the past 15 years).
Dust Monkey
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No.
This is gettin' locked...
As I think it violates the new L&CR policy.
Maybe the mods will let it ride, but I'm doubtful.
To answer your question... yes. Slowly, and not all of it, but yes.
Down here at the roots of the grass, the wind has changed. And the growth areas for the party are places where gun control just won't sell. Montana, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia... you can't win in these states as an anti.
Schumer, DiFi, Kennedy... yeah, they're beyond hope. But they're all going away.
If we can hold what we've got for 10 years, this fight will be pretty much over... we'll have won. We are winning now.
Expanding the pro-gun-rights group to liberals and moderate Democrats is the only growth area we've got. There will not be a significant increase in the numbers of Republicans / Conservatives. So if you're relying only on that cohort, we lose.
Unless, of course, your definition of "winning" is "get Republicans elected" rather than "preserve and expand gun ownership rights for everyone".
Also, don't underestimate the importance of Heller, and the change in legal scholarship that contributed to it. It's huge. It gets downplayed quite a bit, both because it didn't give everybody everything they wanted right now!!!, and because it's not something that anybody alive has ever seen happen. One of the original Bill of Rights Amendments just got defined, for the first time in over two centuries.
It's ironic, really. The ground shifted under everyone's feet, and the Bradys were the only ones who felt it for what it was. We, on the other hand, complained about the biggest victory we've had in the history of the fight.
--Shannon
As I think it violates the new L&CR policy.
Maybe the mods will let it ride, but I'm doubtful.
To answer your question... yes. Slowly, and not all of it, but yes.
Down here at the roots of the grass, the wind has changed. And the growth areas for the party are places where gun control just won't sell. Montana, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia... you can't win in these states as an anti.
Schumer, DiFi, Kennedy... yeah, they're beyond hope. But they're all going away.
If we can hold what we've got for 10 years, this fight will be pretty much over... we'll have won. We are winning now.
Expanding the pro-gun-rights group to liberals and moderate Democrats is the only growth area we've got. There will not be a significant increase in the numbers of Republicans / Conservatives. So if you're relying only on that cohort, we lose.
Unless, of course, your definition of "winning" is "get Republicans elected" rather than "preserve and expand gun ownership rights for everyone".
Also, don't underestimate the importance of Heller, and the change in legal scholarship that contributed to it. It's huge. It gets downplayed quite a bit, both because it didn't give everybody everything they wanted right now!!!, and because it's not something that anybody alive has ever seen happen. One of the original Bill of Rights Amendments just got defined, for the first time in over two centuries.
It's ironic, really. The ground shifted under everyone's feet, and the Bradys were the only ones who felt it for what it was. We, on the other hand, complained about the biggest victory we've had in the history of the fight.
--Shannon
LucifersPants
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As I think it violates the new L&CR policy.
Maybe the mods will let it ride, but I'm doubtful.
Near as I can tell the rules are whatever the mods feel like they should be at a particular moment. Some really stupid threads, I mean like 'Forest Gump' stupid, go on for days while others are shut down in minutes. Which ones get stomped on and which ones don't is actually one of the most entertaining things about this site.
Yes it does. The thread is purely political in nature. It is not about a law or some civil rights issue.tube_ee said:As I think it violates the new L&CR policy.
Luciifer, your welcome to your opinion, as false as it may be.
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