Is the caliber I'm using enough stopper?

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How do you know this ?

Are ballistic gel tests really enough to better understand this ?

And what caliber will stop a criminal escaping by car ? (for the law enforcement)

Is there a test that can better answer these questions ?


Yup. I did. Do you think this test will work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208L0O3oA_Y&feature=youtu.be


This is a simulation made in the game called Armadillo Run.
 

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There are almost zero situations where almost anyone should even consider shooting at anyone escaping in a car.
 
There are almost zero situations where almost anyone should even consider shooting at anyone escaping in a car
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Ignorant civilians who have seen too much screen fiction sometimes do that unlawfully, but sworn officers know not to try.
 
What the heck did I just watch?

Law enforcement can indeed be justified shooting at a fleeing suspect. Regular civilians too depending on the circumstances.

A twelve-gauge slug will usually do the trick through auto glass and sheet metal.

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Law enforcement can indeed be justified shooting at a fleeing suspect.
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If, and only if,
  • The suspect has committed a particularly heinous crime
  • The officer actually observed the crime being committed
  • The shooting takes place immediately after the crime is committed
  • There is compelling reason to believe that the suspect will, if not stopped immediately. kill or injure other innocent, and
  • There is no other way to prevent the escape of the suspect.

That would be a very rare circumstance. Radio, rotorcraft, tire strips, etc. provide effective ways of stoping a suspect.

Shooting at the driver of a car moving away would almost always be a non-starter due to public safety issues.
 
Why doesn't someone shoot at a glass at a 40 degree angle ? And why doesn't he/she record it with a slow mo camera and share it on Youtube ? :)
 
There's a wealth of information out there about shooting thru glass and particularly windshields. If I remember correctly there's even a law enforcement round that is designed to minimize deflection when shot through glass...Federal I think.

Here's a few links I found.
https://zerocant.com/?p=503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVx5uYYIBy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0l9QRyoRgI
https://www.tactical-life.com/lifestyle/tactics/science-shooting-through-glass/
https://www.hornadyle.com/resources/le-faq/what-can-i-expect-when-shooting-through-glass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS9918S5pHw
 
While shooting at someone escaping in a car might be a bad idea, there could be a defensive need to shoot through a car body or window that is justified.

During an attempted carjacking you may need to shoot through glass from the inside out to defend yourself. If someone trying to run me over in a car I'd be justified to shoot through the windshield to defend myself, and if someone were trying to kidnap a family member, I'd shoot through a car to prevent them from getting away.

Caliber isn't as important as the bullet choice.
 
Well. Materials needed for this job.


1- Guns of various calibers.

2- fmj and jhp/sp cartridges for these guns.

3- A safe land.

4- One car.

5- 100+ car windows. (Made for this car.)

6- Slow motion camera.

7- Ten plastic mannequin.

8- And someone who is a member of youtube.
 
Surely our members are aware that defensive ammunition that meets FBI protocols will perform effectively after penetrating auto glass.
 
Yup. A study was conducted on auto glasses in FBI protocols.

"One piece (15" X 18") of A.S.I. 1/4 inch laminated automobile safety glass is set at an angle of 45" to the horizontal and 15" to the side, resulting in a compound angle. The gelatin block is placed 18 inches behind the glass. This test event simulates a shot taken at the driver of a car from the left front quarter of the vehicle."

But the windshield of the car is more solid. And there is no work on it yet.

https://www.hornadyle.com/resources/fbi-test-protocol
 
One piece (15" X 18") of A.S.I. 1/4 inch laminated automobile safety glass is set at an angle of 45" to the horizontal and 15" to the side, resulting in a compound angle. The gelatin block is placed 18 inches behind the glass. This test event simulates a shot taken at the driver of a car from the left front quarter of the vehicle."

But the windshield of the car is more solid. And there is no work on it yet.
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Car windshields are made from A.S. I. 1/4 inch laminated automobile safety glass.

The angle of the test barrier makes it obvious that the test simulates shooting through a windshield.
 
Yup. I agree with you.

But did they (the FBI) shoot these tests with a slow motion camera ?

And did every caliber really succeed ?

Which is the most successful caliber ?

My goal is to learn the best caliber in this regard. And I really don't know either. My goal is to create "a ranking" for it.
 
Surely our members are aware that defensive ammunition that meets FBI protocols will perform effectively after penetrating auto glass.
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I certainly AM aware of the FBI protocols and posted SEVERAL links of the 'bullets thru glass' scenario and my name is NOT Shirley.
 
I certainly AM aware of the FBI protocols and posted SEVERAL links of the 'bullets thru glass' scenario and my name is NOT Shirley.
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Dale. please tak ethis as a constructive suggestion.

Posting five or so links that requires interest people to open and digest communicates very little.

That can be helpful, but it is always far more useful to also include brief ,clear statements on what one wishes to get across.

In this case, it is that the FBI protocols cover windshield penetration
 
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