Is much bluing lost to concealed carry sweat?

The gun I had planned on carry has been the stainless Sig 232. It is often carried in the car.

Now having a really nice blued, first PPK in the gun family, it is apparent in another discussion that any concealed carry results in a clear loss of bluing on handguns.
Does frequent rubbing with a very thin oil on a patch not reduce this degradation in a humid, often hot climate?

Acquiring a first "Made In Germany" (France) PPK was the priority-not necessarily using it for a shorter CCW.
 
Its not really a either or type question/answer. There are going to be a number of factors that will affect things.

What do you do for a living, how much do you sweat, what are you carrying the gun in, how much you actually carry it.

If you work in an environment where you arent very active, and things are temp controlled, where you arent likely to sweat much, the results will be very different, than if youre active, and in a uncontrolled environment.

Holster material and design makes a major difference. Leather is pretty and all, but is usually a poor choice if you sweat a lot and carry IWB. Kydex on the other hand, is impervious to moisture, and very little of the gun is exposed to the body. Its a much better choice, but its still not perfect. When things get hot and steamy, everything still gets hot and steamy at some point.

Ive tried all manner of treatments on a bunch of guns, and the only things that have actually worked, was a new finish. Rub and spray ons are about worthless. You need a finish that is rust/wear resistant. The two Ive had the best results with, have been Tennifer and hard chrome, and Tennifer has been the best.

I carried a blued PPK/S for awhile back in the mid 80's. The bluing didnt hold up very well, and was quickly worn off on the back strap and on the slide where my thumb, finger, and palm would rest when charging it. Pretty soon, those points were down to bare, or barely coated metal, and I was constantly dealing with rust at different levels. I had rust on the blued parts as well, so it really didnt matter.

My epiphany was back in the 90's when kydex first started showing up. I was carrying a blued Colt Combat Commander in a couple of Galco Royal Guards. Id been carrying it about a year, and once summer hit, it began to rust badly. Even with rotating through two holsters every other day or so, they never got to dry out, so the gun was always in a sweat soaked holster, and I was usually soaked in sweat all day to boot, so the gun was always in a bad spot.

The owner at EGW said he could probably get most of the heavy pitting out, and recommended hard chrome instead of rebluing or parking it. I did that, and about the same time, found Blade Tech kydex IWB holsters. From that point on, I had very little rust, and I still have both the gun and that first Blade Tech holster, which is as serviceable today, as it was when I bought it 20 some odd years ago. I went from $75-150 a year for holsters, down to $55 for whats looking to be forever at this point. That in itself, has been a major cost savings.

Now, kydex isnt perfect, but its pretty close. It does wear the guns finish at the contact points. That can vary from make and gun too, depending how things bear in the holster, and how its made.

Another advantage to kydex is, you can clean them easily and regularly, right under the tap in the kitchen sink. You dont get the embedded dirt and junk in the inside, like you do with leather.

Yet another advantage, benefits your body. Kydex just slides across wet skin, and doesnt rub you raw. It also doesnt have chemicals in it, to really turn up the burn.

Leather may seem to be easier on the finish at first blush, but over time, its really not. It contacts more of the gun, and the finish tends to quickly fade or wash out where it does. Cleaning the is about impossible, which just helps accelerate things. As I noted above, leather on wet skin, is abrasive, and quickly rubs you raw, and continues to do it.
 
If you carry a blued gun regularly, the bluing is going to polish off and/or fade. The good news is that guns can be re-blued and were actually intended to be reblued. The bad news is that Collectors and Gun Enthusiasts have watched too much of the Keno Brothers on Antiques Road Show and shun the rebluing any of any nice classic gun. If you do this, you will have to live out your days in a leper colony under cloak of anonymity for fear of vengeance from an angry Collector.:D

Hmmm, perhaps I'll make a video game called "Angry Collectors".....
 
Bluing tends to wear badly in almost all cases, much less in almost explicitly bad conditions. I wouldn't ccw my collectors grade blued ppk in Florida is what I'm getting at.

Also, if you ever use it you're in trouble from a bluing standpoint when they chuck it into evidence and it gets scratched and rubbed to heck and back.
 
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Recommend picking up a stainless steel S&W or U.S.-made Interarms gun if you want to CCW a PPK. The value of decent French / West German examples has climbed so much that I wouldn't carry one given that a cheaper and more durable substitute can be had.
 
...Acquiring a first "Made In Germany" (France) PPK...
Explain please. PPK's were made by Walther in Germany and PPK's were made by Manurhin in France. Your post implies that there were PPK's stamped "Made In Germany" that were actually made in France. Please explain.
 
While bluing is a traditional finish, it provides damned little protection for your gun. When it degrades on a using gun, my recommendation is to upgrade the finish to something that actually protects the gun. Nitride, hard chrome or nickel are all magnitudes better than bluing.
 
I have a polish p64 that was rusting badly from carrying, and I cerakoted it. It's been fine since.
I was only experimenting with cerakote, only doing about 4 guns, and going back to norrells moly resin. That holds up well to sweat also.

"angry collectors" that's funny. I gotta remember that.
 
In the olden days, S&W and Colt made nickel plated revolvers for plain clothes police because sweat really destroyed the finish on blued revolvers. We now have stainless steel, which is a better solution, and a paint is another one. It is not a matter of preserving the collector value. Sweat is a salt solution and even a few days of exposure can seriously rust/corrode a carbon steel gun.

Jim
 
Ignition, Since your have another option, I would not suggest carrying your nice blued PPK. I have carried blued guns. No matter how careful you are, regular carry will degrade the blued finish. Wiping it down as you mentioned will certainly slow rusting of the blued finish due to the hot, humid climate, and sweat.

FWIW, Years ago I was carrying a blued S&W 39-2 concealed during a hot, sweaty Southwestern summer. I'd always kept the exterior wiped down with WD-40 and never experienced any rust. No, nobody needs to tell me how WD-40 is a terrible lube, etc,etc,etc. What it was, was very good at preventing external rust on my blued guns. I foolishly decided that one of the wonderful new silicone cloths, advertised as the latest, best thing to prevent rust, corrosion and halitosis, might be better than wiping the gun down with smelly, old fashioned WD-40 daily. Okay, I'm kidding about the halitosis part. I cleaned off the WD-40 and wiped the gun down liberally with the new super wonder silicone gun cloth. I carried the gun all the next day. Relatively low humidity compared with someplace like Florida, but plenty of sweat. That evening, the left side of the blued slide, the slide stop and safety lever, etc were all permanently rust damaged, with fine pits on all of these components. I'm not kidding about that part. That was my first and last use of a silicone gun cloth. I went back to my old ways. No rust since. I can't argue with anyone else's experience with silicone cloths, but that was mine....ymmv
 
Thanks for the responses. That PPK might remain a frequent hobby gun, to be admired and used a good bit.
In the future I could announce to my wife that...well...it is Not my last handgun purchase.
Imagine the look on her surprised face...:rolleyes:

dahermit: Unless I misunderstood hours of reading, the seasoned PPK owners at "Walther Forums' state that the vast majority of "Made in W. Germany" PPK guns were manufactured in France until '86, and that even magazine writers were unaware of this.

In limited cases the parts were produced in France by Manurhin and shipped to Ulm for assembly, proofing/testing and 'roll stamping'.
The factory staff in Ulm reportedly were so satisfied with the French components and French assembly that they never wanted to move the process to W. Germany.
 
Your post implies that there were PPK's stamped "Made In Germany" that were actually made in France. Please explain.
Manurhin made them in France, then shipped them across the border to Ulm to have them do the heat-treating and proofing. This went on from the end of WWII until the mid-1980's.
 
The Walthers were made under license, post war, until the association was called off. The French continued to make pistols for some time afterward much to Walther's chagrin.
 
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