Is it time for a third party?

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2ndamd

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I feel as though the concern I have over the results of the last election are being misunderstood.

I feel the direction of the this great country is one of continuing to grow the scope of govt and governmental powers. As a Libertarian I can see the good in having the dems and the reps in and out of control in Washington.

But, as far as 2nd amd issues go. The dems have a history of curtailing these rights. Isn't the best indicator of future behavior past behavior? Is that not substantiated and even built into our sentencing laws for individuals? As a leader of others when I interview someone for a position I ask them to "tell me about a time" or, "tell me about a situation." This draws from their personal experience.

I do not advocate violence. I think that the people in history that have fought injustice through a passive resistence or peaceful demonstartions are to be commended. The likes of Stephen Biko, Ghandi, MLK Jr. Rosa Parks have all set an example for us to follow.

But, based on past history and even remarks of the new Democratic leadership can give me cause for concern when it comes to the 2nd amd liberties.

I hope I am wrong to have these concerns.

Am I really that far off base to be concerned?

Now, I will say that I am hopeful that the Democrats stick to their word and make the Patriot Act go away.

Is it time for a third party? A party of fiscal conservatism and social conservatism?

Both current parties seem to continue to grow Govenment in their own way. When will we see the growth of Goverment reversed?
 
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Whoa!
Now don't go putting words in my mouth.
I posted a very civil statement that should not get me into trouble with Rich or Antipitas.:)
I specifically said I do not advocate violence.
 
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Is the US ripe for another (third?) party?

In many ways, I think the answer just might be, yes.

But it won't be the Libertarian Party or the Constitutional Party, IMO. There are some very sound reasons to reject either of those two.

First and foremost is that neither of them are interested in building a solid base of support. Electing Mayors, town Councilmen and County Commissioners before moving on to the state capitols and electing State Legislators.

No, they are more interested in pushing for Governorship and the Presidential post then in building a solid political base by which the people can judge them.

Any third party that wishes to make a difference and become a real political influence can not sidestep the obvious. Therefore, it will be a long and arduous process. Most activists simply don't have the stomach for such a long and protracted political battle.
 
well said AP! most of the libertarians i know (i consider myself a liber-t) want the big banana and arent willing to fight for the smaller,local races to get a base. they throw away the realistic chance they have to win small races to go after a "big" political win and invariably don't even get close.

SW
 
Yes, it is long past time for a third party. But the party that embraces social and fiscal Conservatism...well, that's *supposed* to be the Republicans.

I would go further and say that in a perfect world there would actually be five parties (liberal, conservative, moderate, libertarian, and authoritarian) to cover all the bases. Not that that's ever gonna happen....
 
The Libertarians have a good philosophy but no solid plan for getting from point A to point B. Also they need a good solid base as mentioned above.
 
We don't need a third party, we simply need the republicans to be a TRUE conservitive party.
There is SOOOOO little difference between the demmy's and the republicans it makes me sick ! ! !
 
It's been long overdue.

It is unfortunate that for someone who wishes to serve as an elected offficial, they must have a "party" or belong to a "party". And when they join a party, and seek to get into a position where the party will support them, they end up compromising principles that lead them to public service, so by the time they get elected to a position where they can actually do something, they are as worthless as the people they have replaced


waterdog
 
Lieberman made it as an independent.
This country needs lots more of that.
It can be done sooner the better.
 
on target,glennster...

traditionally, the republicans have been pro-gun. now it seems like they just make concessions...and I can't get an AR in california...
 
seems to me that we need something that just dosen't exist..... a politician that's not FOR SALE...........they are ALL corrupt so bad they are ineffective at governing...... IMHO.................
 
Electing third party candidates in major elections is next to impossible with our plurality voting system.

http://www.rangevoting.org
http://lists.electorama.com/listinfo.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com

Honestly, there's not much that can be done without either major campaign reform (which probably violates the first amendment) or switching voting systems.

And please don't suggest IRV (aka Alternative Vote). It's nearly as bad as the current system, and does not help 3rd parties very much. People who promote it are lemmings. STV, IRV's multi-winner cousin, isn't so bad, but we don't have multi-winner elections in state and federal elections in the U.S.
 
Actauly I got an email the other day detailing the election results. Actauly the third parties did quite well this time around. They won several local races. Then's there's Lieberman who was thrown out by the democrat's ran as an independant and won anyway. I think there is 3 independents in congress right now. Now if the whole Congress could have an (I) after their name it would be a great day. Dreaming I know.
 
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