WildBill45
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I am not a gunsmith, and was wondering if there is a mechanic limitation to prevent someone from making a moon-clip, double-rifle load for faster reloads?
Is it possible to make moon clips for Nitro, double-rifles?
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BusGunner007
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That's a strangely cool idea if it works...
THEZACHARIAS
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Not impossible (depending on what kind of double rifle action we're talking about here and whether its an extractor or an ejector model), just might need a little machine time. For what they charge for a big double these days, im suprised its not an option.
Now if we can just get Ruger or H&R or someone to start making affordable doubles...
Not impossible (depending on what kind of double rifle action we're talking about here and whether its an extractor or an ejector model), just might need a little machine time. For what they charge for a big double these days, im suprised its not an option.
Now if we can just get Ruger or H&R or someone to start making affordable doubles...
Jim Watson
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I once read of somebody doing that to a war loot single shot because he could not find 8x57R ammo. He used regular machine E clips on 8x57JS but had to cut into the barrel breech to clear them.
So it would be physically possible to make a two round clip (Ranch Products has made .45 ACP "1/3 moon" clips for some time.) that would let you load a double express rifle in one drop. And it would work with plain extractors and not require the little plungers of a break action rimless extractor.
Of course the gun would have to be built to accept clipped cartridges and probably would not work without them, unless you had custom ammunition with thick rims made up, the rifle equivalent of .45 Auto Rim.
The next question is, how much would it help you?
Clipped .45 ACPs work well in a revolver because the rounds are short, stubby, and have very rounded bullet noses for self alignment. Jerry Miculek practically throws a clip into his revolver.
A pair of long skinny rifle cartridges in a clip would tend to flop around and require some care to load. (Clipped .357 magnum does not work as well as we hoped it would.) I suspect it would take about as much practice as loading two regular rimmed rounds at a time.
So it would be physically possible to make a two round clip (Ranch Products has made .45 ACP "1/3 moon" clips for some time.) that would let you load a double express rifle in one drop. And it would work with plain extractors and not require the little plungers of a break action rimless extractor.
Of course the gun would have to be built to accept clipped cartridges and probably would not work without them, unless you had custom ammunition with thick rims made up, the rifle equivalent of .45 Auto Rim.
The next question is, how much would it help you?
Clipped .45 ACPs work well in a revolver because the rounds are short, stubby, and have very rounded bullet noses for self alignment. Jerry Miculek practically throws a clip into his revolver.
A pair of long skinny rifle cartridges in a clip would tend to flop around and require some care to load. (Clipped .357 magnum does not work as well as we hoped it would.) I suspect it would take about as much practice as loading two regular rimmed rounds at a time.
WildBill45
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I know this trick, as I did this as a boy holding one extra for my 16 gauge, single-shot when out for pheasant!
I just thought about this since I use moon clips for my 325 and, I just entered an auction for a custom Double-rifle. Winning is highly doubtful, but one never knows! This is the only way I will ever one, other than stealing the two doubles I saw in the weapon museum in Lima, Peru!
They had them in glass cases with ghetto guns, and I complained to the manager. They also have a "One of a Thousand" Winchester 73, stuffed in a glass case with junk guns! This one would go for $450.000 on the market!
I think it would save time if you were not in The Ready position, just walking about before you knew the lion was there. Two .470 rounds clipped together in a belt mounted holder, you reach down only ONCE, and put two in quickly after firing the first two by surprise!
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BusGunner007
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Why do so many DGH carry their rifle on their shoulder, holding it by the bbl.?
If you need the gun now, even a speedloaded double wouldn't be quick to action in that carry mode, would it?
I've often wondered about this when seeing it in pictures.
If you need the gun now, even a speedloaded double wouldn't be quick to action in that carry mode, would it?
I've often wondered about this when seeing it in pictures.
DR
After you buy it, then you have to feed it. Which will eat into your wallet faster?
I am pretty sure that the "rifle on the shoulder thing" is practiced when the hunt is off or is quite far from the game.
Search in YouTube for "lion charge" - at least one of them is spectacular - no guns on shoulders there.
Pete
After you buy it, then you have to feed it. Which will eat into your wallet faster?
I am pretty sure that the "rifle on the shoulder thing" is practiced when the hunt is off or is quite far from the game.
Search in YouTube for "lion charge" - at least one of them is spectacular - no guns on shoulders there.
Pete
The shoulder carry is an old practice of when gun bearers were used. The gun bearer walked in front of the white hunter carrying the heavy double rifle in that manner by the barrels that allowed the hunter to take it from the bearer with the muzzle pointing forward when he saw game. The bearer had better duck pretty fast. Today I guess most of them carry any rifle that way to make it easier to carry a heavy rifle while walking long distances. Its like carrying a shovel on your shoulder. It does look cool though. I am gonna hire a gun bearer for my Rem 700 next fall for deer season! Jambo.
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Neither, because if I need a 45-70 Id use my 1895 Cowboy where I have more than 2 shots. And if I ever need the .50 then the world has already gone to pot and wallets wont matter. Both of those guns would be safe queens and braggin tools when the buddies come over. I aint going dangerous game hunting anytime soon, I wont even hunt out of the state of North Dakota anytime soon.
WildBill45
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They carry it over the shoulder as the sling or carry strap is not used much in Afica. To point it backwards over the shoulder is even worse. When in the thick stuff looking for game it is in the ready position. There are no set rules either, that is hollywood most of the time. Folks who never stood on the dark continent, or smelled the odors, or heard a hippo grunt, and never saw a wild lion in their life seem to write about all the time and, have an opinion on it!
Magnum Wheel Man
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I got luck enough to get one of the 45-70 russian doubles that Remington imported...
a double clip would be an interesting option though I doubt I'd shoot the rifle enough to warrent the machine work...
45-70 is a pop gun compared to some of the nitro cartridges ( though most traditional african cartridges are lower pressures to work well in the heat ).. higher pressure rounds like the Weatherby & Win Mags may actually suffer brass case head failure if everything was not fit very tightly ???
a double clip would be an interesting option though I doubt I'd shoot the rifle enough to warrent the machine work...
45-70 is a pop gun compared to some of the nitro cartridges ( though most traditional african cartridges are lower pressures to work well in the heat ).. higher pressure rounds like the Weatherby & Win Mags may actually suffer brass case head failure if everything was not fit very tightly ???
BusGunner007
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Thanx for the carry mode explanation.
Most anything can be done.Myself,I don't think I'd modify a double rifle that way.
I think originally the moon clips for the 45 were a means of shooting rimless 45 acp cartridges in DA revolvers which would not extract a rimless cartridge.
Some folks use speed strips to rapidly load a revolver,and two cartridges held in a strip that could be wiped sideways might be useful.No modification required.
I have no experience with double rifles,and none with Africa.I have read some Ruark,Bell,Capstick,etc.
Aren't some of these rifles equipt with ejectors?Ejectors typically fling only the round fired.It would be interesting to fire one round and reload with the clip.
Keep thinking,though!!
I think originally the moon clips for the 45 were a means of shooting rimless 45 acp cartridges in DA revolvers which would not extract a rimless cartridge.
Some folks use speed strips to rapidly load a revolver,and two cartridges held in a strip that could be wiped sideways might be useful.No modification required.
I have no experience with double rifles,and none with Africa.I have read some Ruark,Bell,Capstick,etc.
Aren't some of these rifles equipt with ejectors?Ejectors typically fling only the round fired.It would be interesting to fire one round and reload with the clip.
Keep thinking,though!!