Is it OK to dry fire a CZ?
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Walt Sherrill
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No reason not to...
(I've dry-fired mine thousands of times.)
Its a rare center-fire gun that can't be dry-fired. (The Beretta Tomcat is one of them.)
Most of the serious shooters I know, including an internationally ranked IPSC shooter, and several four-gun masters in IDPA, all dry fire a LOT, and they don't use snap caps.
If it makes you feel better, get some snap caps -- but its probably a waste of money.
(I've dry-fired mine thousands of times.)
Its a rare center-fire gun that can't be dry-fired. (The Beretta Tomcat is one of them.)
Most of the serious shooters I know, including an internationally ranked IPSC shooter, and several four-gun masters in IDPA, all dry fire a LOT, and they don't use snap caps.
If it makes you feel better, get some snap caps -- but its probably a waste of money.
rogerdodger
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dry firing is fine, but use a spent casing instead of a snap cap.Its
alot cheaper if u dont want to dry fire
alot cheaper if u dont want to dry fire
The original firing pin on CZ52 is somewhat fragile. From what I've read and seen, the CZ52 is a great pistol but has two weak points, the stock firing pin and the locking rollers.
Go to: http://www.makarov.com/cz52/ and check it out.
Except for the fact that I can't get enough 1911s I'd have one. Every time I go to look at them another 1911 catches my eye. For the price they sound like a great buy.
Go to: http://www.makarov.com/cz52/ and check it out.
Except for the fact that I can't get enough 1911s I'd have one. Every time I go to look at them another 1911 catches my eye. For the price they sound like a great buy.
glockorama
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On a related subject: How do you remove the firing pin in a CZ-75b? Is it the rolled pin near the rear sight?
Stephen A. Camp
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Hello. Yes, the roll pin at the serrations portion of the slide is what retains the B-series' firing pin. I've not detailed one of these, but the firing pin (internal) safety will be removed as well. I don't see how this can be too complicated.
I respectfully disagree with others stating that it is OK to dry fire this pistol. I agree that it can be done with no problems on pistols having their firing pins retained by the conventional retaining plates ala Pre-B CZ75s, BHPs, and 1911s, but when they are notched for a pin to retain them, the constant smacking of the pin against the roll pin can lead to breakage of one or the other.
This is why the Pre-Firestar Star pistols such as the Model B, BKM, etc were prone to firing pin breakage if much dry-firing was done. When the firing pin hit and indents a primer, the distance it moves is not enough for the pin to come into contact with the roll pin holding it. When there is no primer to stop the forward motion of the firing pin, it is stopped in its forward motion by the roll pin.
Just use snap caps or fired cases and you'll be OK, but I'd recommend either the snap cap or handloading a dummy round complete with a bullet using silicone or some type of rubber sealant, etc in the primer pocket as primers get dented in quite alot, perhaps to the point that the firing pin could hit the roll pin. Also, this allows you to feed the "round" from the magazine without just dropping it into the chamber such that the extractor has to jump up over it.
Best.
I respectfully disagree with others stating that it is OK to dry fire this pistol. I agree that it can be done with no problems on pistols having their firing pins retained by the conventional retaining plates ala Pre-B CZ75s, BHPs, and 1911s, but when they are notched for a pin to retain them, the constant smacking of the pin against the roll pin can lead to breakage of one or the other.
This is why the Pre-Firestar Star pistols such as the Model B, BKM, etc were prone to firing pin breakage if much dry-firing was done. When the firing pin hit and indents a primer, the distance it moves is not enough for the pin to come into contact with the roll pin holding it. When there is no primer to stop the forward motion of the firing pin, it is stopped in its forward motion by the roll pin.
Just use snap caps or fired cases and you'll be OK, but I'd recommend either the snap cap or handloading a dummy round complete with a bullet using silicone or some type of rubber sealant, etc in the primer pocket as primers get dented in quite alot, perhaps to the point that the firing pin could hit the roll pin. Also, this allows you to feed the "round" from the magazine without just dropping it into the chamber such that the extractor has to jump up over it.
Best.
Walt Sherrill
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Perhaps you know something I don't know (and that's a serious statement, not a wise-a**ed comment), but I dry-fired my CZ-75b thousands of times without problem (before upgrading to a CZ-85 Combat, which doesn't have the block or retaining pin).
Several of my friends have done the same (although its probably HUNDREDS of times, in their case.) Perhaps the CZ is unique.
I understand the logic behind your statement with regard to firing pin retaining pins, but many modern weapons have this type of pin and these guns are dry-fired regularly (perhaps excessively) without damage.
The entire SIG line, for examples, uses a similar pin in their design, and I know of many shooters who dry-fire their weapon regularly, perhaps excessively, without problem. None of them use snap caps. None of the competitive shooters that I know -- two nationally ranked (one IDPA, one IPSC) among them -- use snap caps.
I also have a EAA Witness Long Slide (.45 acp) that after a trigger job still had a horrid trigger. (This is basically a CZ design with a few mods.) I dry fired it roughly 300-400 times a night for a month. The trigger is now nice. It has a firing pin retainer, and while it is vertically mounted (rather than horizonatally) it should still stress the firing pin as you state.
This is not to say you're wrong, but only to say that my experience with both CZ and other quality guns (SIGS among them) does not agree.
Several of my friends have done the same (although its probably HUNDREDS of times, in their case.) Perhaps the CZ is unique.
I understand the logic behind your statement with regard to firing pin retaining pins, but many modern weapons have this type of pin and these guns are dry-fired regularly (perhaps excessively) without damage.
The entire SIG line, for examples, uses a similar pin in their design, and I know of many shooters who dry-fire their weapon regularly, perhaps excessively, without problem. None of them use snap caps. None of the competitive shooters that I know -- two nationally ranked (one IDPA, one IPSC) among them -- use snap caps.
I also have a EAA Witness Long Slide (.45 acp) that after a trigger job still had a horrid trigger. (This is basically a CZ design with a few mods.) I dry fired it roughly 300-400 times a night for a month. The trigger is now nice. It has a firing pin retainer, and while it is vertically mounted (rather than horizonatally) it should still stress the firing pin as you state.
This is not to say you're wrong, but only to say that my experience with both CZ and other quality guns (SIGS among them) does not agree.
Stephen A. Camp
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Hello. No problem. I've seen it happen, but very few times in my years as a police firearms instructor. Most were with SIG P226 pistols and by "most" I mean 2 or maybe 3 guns. That's not many considering the total volume of these seen over 11 years as a firearms instructor! I've seen several Star Model B and P pistols break firing pins from light to moderate dry-firing. Perhaps the fact that these guns use solid steel pins contributes? On that, I absolutely do not know.
Have seen but one CZ75B in forty break a firing pin via dry-firing and one other in which the roll pin broke, but not the firing pin.
I do think think that most will handle it OK, but my point, which was not as clear, is why risk it?
Best and good shooting.
Have seen but one CZ75B in forty break a firing pin via dry-firing and one other in which the roll pin broke, but not the firing pin.
I do think think that most will handle it OK, but my point, which was not as clear, is why risk it?
Best and good shooting.