Have been talking with co-workers for a while now about this subject and we haven't came to a conclusion so Im needing some input. Concealed carry obviously gives you the right to keep a loaded gun on you/in your vehicle hidden out of site. Lets say Im a law abiding citizen, but I don't have a permit for concealed carry. Can you or can you not have a firearm in your vehicle, as long as it is in visible site say on your dash, or in your seat if you were to get pulled over by the police? How about it being loaded or not in a revolver or the clip being in the gun in a semi-auto handgun? I do have the right to keep and bear arms, just not sure whether or not it can be loaded or not in a vehicle. I live in the state of Kansas, and wasn't sure of what the law stated on this matter. Thanks
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Is concealed carry class necessary?
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Crazy88Fingers
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HandgunLaw.us is an invaluable resource. Here's the link for Kansas...
http://handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf
It seems your answer lies at the bottom of page 8. Basically, there are varying local laws within the state. But if the gun is unloaded and in a case, then you're good to go.
And, for what it's worth, keeping a gun on your dash probably won't have a happy ending. Especially if you get pulled over.
http://handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf
It seems your answer lies at the bottom of page 8. Basically, there are varying local laws within the state. But if the gun is unloaded and in a case, then you're good to go.
And, for what it's worth, keeping a gun on your dash probably won't have a happy ending. Especially if you get pulled over.
good question
You should check out KSCCW.com which is an Internet gathering place for those in Kansas who CCW. That site has good info on training available to folks in Kansas, and a multitude of competition activities. Hope to see you on there.
About taking a class, I would highly recommend it. It's like any class dealing with firearms, in that there will be material presented that you may not come by on your own. Also, you can take a CCW class and elect to not get the permit.
You should check out KSCCW.com which is an Internet gathering place for those in Kansas who CCW. That site has good info on training available to folks in Kansas, and a multitude of competition activities. Hope to see you on there.
About taking a class, I would highly recommend it. It's like any class dealing with firearms, in that there will be material presented that you may not come by on your own. Also, you can take a CCW class and elect to not get the permit.
Frank Ettin
Administrator
As for taking a class, I always recommend training for anyone who keeps a gun for self defense. In fact I strongly recommend training beyond whatever minimum is required to get a CCW.
Being able to most effectively make use of a gun for self defense involves more than just marksmanship.
[1] You will want to know and understand the legal issues -- when the use of lethal force would be legally justified, when it would not be, and how to tell the difference. You will want to understand how to handle the legal aftermath of a violent encounter and how to articulate why, in a particular situation, you decided to take whatever action you did.
[2] You will want to know about levels of alertness and mental preparedness to take action. You will want to understand how to assess situations and make difficult decisions quickly under stress. You will want to know about the various stress induced physiological and psychological effects that you might face during and after a violent encounter.
[3] You will want to develop good practical proficiency with your gun. That includes practical marksmanship, i. e., being able to deploy your gun and get good hits quickly at various distances. It also includes skills such as moving and shooting, use of cover and concealment, reloading quickly, clearing malfunctions, and moving safely with a loaded gun.
Is all this really necessary? That will be up to you to decide for yourself. It will depend on your personal view of what you need to be able to do to believe yourself to be competent. But --
Being able to most effectively make use of a gun for self defense involves more than just marksmanship.
[1] You will want to know and understand the legal issues -- when the use of lethal force would be legally justified, when it would not be, and how to tell the difference. You will want to understand how to handle the legal aftermath of a violent encounter and how to articulate why, in a particular situation, you decided to take whatever action you did.
[2] You will want to know about levels of alertness and mental preparedness to take action. You will want to understand how to assess situations and make difficult decisions quickly under stress. You will want to know about the various stress induced physiological and psychological effects that you might face during and after a violent encounter.
[3] You will want to develop good practical proficiency with your gun. That includes practical marksmanship, i. e., being able to deploy your gun and get good hits quickly at various distances. It also includes skills such as moving and shooting, use of cover and concealment, reloading quickly, clearing malfunctions, and moving safely with a loaded gun.
Is all this really necessary? That will be up to you to decide for yourself. It will depend on your personal view of what you need to be able to do to believe yourself to be competent. But --
- If we wind up in a violent confrontation, we can't know ahead of time what will happen and how it will happen. And thus we can't know ahead of time what we will need to be able to do to solve our problem.
- If we find ourselves in a violent confrontation, we will respond with whatever skills we have available at the time. If all you know how to do is stand there and shoot, that will probably be what you'll do. It might be good enough, or it might not be.
- The more we can do, and the better we can do it, the more likely we'll be to be able to respond appropriately and effectively. The more we can do, and the better we can do it, the luckier we'll be.
Conceal carry laws including how and where and when you can carry a loaded or unloaded pistol or long gun in a car is very state specific and depending on the state city or county specific. The laws also change every so often, so keep track of what is happening.
Based on Crazy88Fingers link, it looks like in Kansas if you wish to car carry you are much better off having a concealed carry permit. Open carry is allowed by the state but not by many cities.
Based on Crazy88Fingers link, it looks like in Kansas if you wish to car carry you are much better off having a concealed carry permit. Open carry is allowed by the state but not by many cities.
the handgun must be unloaded, out of the passenger compartment where possible, and in a case.
Benchmark established by FOPA of 1986, right?
Lost ownership of new Full Auto guns for this ....... thanks a pantload, there, NRA.
FoghornLeghorn
New member
Here in Oklahoma you have to go through a class to get the license. But the class I took was conducted by the most ignorant, obtuse, ill mannered person I think I've ever seen. He was such a wealth of misinformation I was amazed he called himself a teacher. Such things as his insistence that Ruger had a successful revolver for sale that had a computer chip that would only allow the registered owner to fire it. I couldn't believe this bozo.
A regular Cliff Claven he was.
But I had to take the class to get the license.
As far as your question, call a Kansas CCL provider. Your local FFL should be able to give you a name.
A regular Cliff Claven he was.
But I had to take the class to get the license.
As far as your question, call a Kansas CCL provider. Your local FFL should be able to give you a name.
Frank Ettin
Administrator
I think that johnbt was referring to jimbob86's snarky comment about the NRA letting the FOPA of 1986 be passed with a cut off on registration of fully automatic firearms by private citizens after 1986 (the Hughes Amendment).johnbt said:^^ Noncense? ^^....LOL!!!
Why if I may ask?
For some insight as to why jimbob86's snarky comment is nonsense and it was probably a reasonable trade off see this and this.
checkmyswag
New member
Right. Read about your state's laws.
Back to your original question. I don't think I should have to take a class. But after seeing how too many improperly handle firearms THEY should have to take one!
Back to your original question. I don't think I should have to take a class. But after seeing how too many improperly handle firearms THEY should have to take one!