Iraqi Soveriegnty

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gburner

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Well, it appears that GW stole a march on just about everyone with the turnover in Iraq today instead of July
first. Everyone seems to be caught flat-footed by the news, including the press and the insurgents. Paul Bremer is back in the States and John Negroponte (sp) has presented his credentials to the Iraqi PM. Time to see if the Iraqi military/security forces can root out the bastards that have been blowing up civilians and lopping off heads.
 
I have no idea why anybody thinks this ruins the terrorists'/insugents' plans. They have no real need to kill and disrupt only on the day of the handover. They can show the temporary government ineffective any time they want.
Given that no US troops have been removed, it would still seem to be our responsibility to fend of bombers/kidnappers. Since the current situation is of our making, it also ends up being a moral responsibility.

Why are we trying to force together three seperate states that want nothing to do with each other into a government? Can our closest allies in Iraq, the Kurds, really get a fair shake in a government that will be ruled by the majority?
How can any government, interm of otherwise, be seen as independant when there is argueably an army of occupation?
 
They, the terrorists/holdovers/insurgents/whatever, missed a huge opportunity. They can shoot, rocket, and bomb, but they missed their one and only chance to do so during the turnover ceremony.

Since they aren't doing so well in a military sense, losing an opportunity like this is substantial.
How can any government, interm of otherwise, be seen as independant when there is argueably an army of occupation?
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Germany and Japan are rarely questioned along this line, why should Iraq?
 
Germany and Japan can also do things that are not in US interests. US servicement who rape are handed over to Japanese authorities. And I believe that it was quite some time before each was seen as independant.
When treaties run out they can close US bases. Whether they will or not is another story.
 
And I believe that it was quite some time before each was seen as independant.
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Yes, and it will be the same for Iraq. Things like this take time. Mature people know this. Which means, of course, that we'll hear the liberals screaming for results any minute now.


For myself, I have ZERO confidence that any Iraqi government will stay in power very long without becoming a dictatorship. The culture does not possess the requistite moral values and education to sustain freedom.
 
With Saadam and a dozen of his 'codefendants' in the dock today, the Iraqi's take on perhaps the most significant task of their new direction. If they can successfully deal with these criminals (read exterminate) with a minimum of international interference they will go along way toward sending a message that they are in earnest.
Reports are that there is already a push among the Europeans and their ilk for an 'internationalization' of the tribunal which will judge these thugs. This will not happen as the Iraqi leadership wants this to be an Iraqi affair and to impose the death penalty upon a finding of guilt. Saadam's socialist bedwetting buddies in Europe wouldn't stand for it.
 
[Quartus]"For myself, I have ZERO confidence that any Iraqi government will stay in power very long without becoming a dictatorship. The culture does not possess the requistite moral values and education to sustain freedom."

... I agree; except that up until recently, Iraqis were some of the best educated and cultured people in the middle east. But the current prevailing rabble are not going to be consoled by another puppet government.
 
... I agree; except that up until recently, Iraqis were some of the best educated and cultured people in the middle east.
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So, they just recently became ignorant?

I have to agree, though. It will be a minor miracle if Iraq becomes a functional republic. They're going to need a lot of hope and help.
 
Destructo6,

No, they did not become ignorance, but the dominance of educated people in the country has ceased. Now it is a hostile free for all between muslim sects, the communist Kurds, etc in which the educated are the primary targets.
 
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