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Iraqis Defy Threats to Vote for Assembly

Iraqis Brave Threats to Vote in First Election in a Half-Century; Tally Might Take 10 Days

By SALLY BUZBEE
The Associated Press

Jan. 31, 2005 - Iraqis embraced democracy in large numbers Sunday, standing in long lines to vote in defiance of mortar attacks, suicide bombers and boycott calls. Pushed in wheelchairs or carts if they couldn't walk, the elderly, the young and women in veils cast ballots in Iraq's first free election in a half-century.

Iraqi election officials said it might take 10 days to determine the vote's winner and said they had no firm estimate of turnout among the 14 million eligible voters. The ticket endorsed by the Shiite Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani was the pre-voting favorite. Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's slate was also considered strong.

"We broke a barrier of fear," said Mijm Towirish, an election official.

Uncertain Sunni turnout, a string of insurgent attacks that killed 44 and the crash of a British military plane drove home that chaos in Iraq isn't over yet.

Yet the mere fact the vote went off seemed to ricochet instantly around a world hoping for Arab democracy and fearing Islamic extremism.

"I am doing this because I love my country, and I love the sons of my nation," said Shamal Hekeib, 53, who walked with his wife 20 minutes to a polling station near his Baghdad home.

"We are Arabs, we are not scared and we are not cowards," Hekeib said.

With helicopters flying low and gunfire close by, at least 200 voters stood calmly in line at midday outside one polling station in the heart of Baghdad. Inside, the tight security included at least four body searches, and a ban on lighters, cell phone batteries, cigarette packs and even pens.

The feeling was sometimes festive. One election volunteer escorted a blind man back to his home after he cast his vote. A woman too frail to walk by herself arrived on a cart pushed by a young relative. Entire families showed up in their finest clothes.

But for the country's minority Sunni Arabs, who held a privileged position under Saddam Hussein, the day was not as welcome.

No more than 400 people voted in Saddam's hometown of Tikrit, and in the heavily Sunni northern Baghdad neighborhood of Azamiyah, where Saddam made his last known public appearance in early April 2003, the four polling places never even opened.

"The world is hearing the voice of freedom from the center of the Middle East," said President Bush, who called the election a success. He promised the United States would continue training Iraqi soldiers, hoping they can soon secure a country America invaded nearly two years ago to topple Saddam.

Iraqis, the U.S. president said, had "firmly rejected the anti-democratic ideology" of terrorists.

The vote to elect a 275-National Assembly and 18 provincial legislatures was only the first step on Iraq's road to self-rule and stability. Once results are in, it could take weeks of backroom deals before a prime minister and government are picked by the new assembly.

If that government proves successful by drawing in the minority Sunni Arabs who partly shunned the election, the country could stabilize, hastening the day when 150,000 U.S. troops can go home.

Iraqi interior minister, Falah al-Naqib, told Britain's Channel 4 News he expected there would be no need for U.S. troops any longer than 18 months because that's when he anticipates Iraq's security forces will be trained well enough to handle the job themselves.

But in comments to CBS' "Face The Nation," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would not say whether U.S. forces would leave the country in great numbers now that the vote is complete, and Bush did not mention any U.S. military withdrawals in his statement.

On Sunday, coalition soldiers raced through Baghdad's streets in Humvees and tried to coax people to vote with loudspeakers in Ramadi, a Sunni city where anti-U.S. attacks are frequent. Iraqi police served as guards at most polling stations and U.S. troops had strict orders to stay away unless Iraqi security forces called for help.

At the Louisiana National Guard headquarters near Baghdad, nervous U.S. officers paced the halls, muttering, "So far, so good," after the first 30 minutes of polling passed without attacks.

But the violence soon broke out.

While a driving ban seemed to discourage car bombs, the insurgents improvised, strapping on belts of explosives to launch their suicide missions.

At least 44 died in the suicide and mortar attacks on polling stations, including nine suicide bombers. The al-Qaida affiliate led by Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi claimed responsibility for at least four attacks.

Most attacks were in Baghdad, but one of the deadliest came in Hillah to the south, when a bomber got onto a minibus carrying voters and detonated his explosives, killing himself and at least four others.

In another reminder of the dangers that persist in Iraq, a British C-130 Hercules transport plane crashed north of Baghdad. The wreckage was strewn over a large area. No cause was given, but Britain's Press Association, quoting military sources, said about 10 British troops were believed to have died. Elsewhere, one U.S. serviceman died in fighting in the Sunni stronghold of Anbar province west of Baghdad.

Despite the string of attacks and mortars that boomed first in the morning and then after dark, a people steeled to violence by years of war, sanctions, the brutality of Saddam's regime and U.S. military occupation were not deterred from the polls.

In the so-called "triangle of death" south of Baghdad, a whiskery, stooped Abed Hunni walked an hour with his wife to reach a polling site in Musayyib. "God is generous to give us this day," he said.

And in heavily Shiite areas in the far south and mostly Kurdish regions in the north, some saw the vote as settling a score with the former dictator, Saddam.

"Now I feel that Saddam is really gone," said Fatima Ibrahim, smiling as she headed home after voting in Irbil. She was 14 and a bride of just three months when her husband, father and brother were rounded up in a campaign of ethnic cleansing under Saddam. None have ever been found.

Many cities in the Sunni triangle north and west of the capital, particularly Fallujah, Ramadi and Beiji, were virtually empty of voters also.

A low Sunni turnout, if that turns out to be the case, could undermine the new government that will emerge from the vote and worsen tensions among the country's ethnic, religious and cultural groups.

Adnan Pachachi, a Sunni elder statesman and candidate for the National Assembly, said he believes the best hope for harmony lies in giving Sunnis a significant role in drafting the country's new constitution.

"The main thing, I think, is we should really have a constitution written by representatives of all segments of Iraq's population," Pachachi said. "I think it would improve the security situation."

Across the largely authoritarian-ruled Arab world, where dislike and distrust of U.S. power and American intentions dominates the public debate, some dismissed the poll as a U.S.-orchestrated sham. Others hoped it might prove a catalyst for a region-wide democratic push.

Iraq's elections are a "good omen for getting rid of dictatorship," said Yemeni political science student Fathi al-Uraiqi.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak sure to win his own country's much-less-democratic vote later this year telephoned Allawi to congratulate him on the smooth election, saying he hoped it would "open the way for the restoration of calm and stability" in Iraq.


Associated Press writers Bassem Mroue, Hamza Hendawi, Sameer N. Yacoub and Jason Keyser contributed to this report.


Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


How many voters in THIS country would be BRAVE enough to go vote if
there were a 90% chance that you could be killed for trying? Hats off to
the people of Iraq. May God Bless them, and grant them FREEDOM.
 
90% chance they could get killed? What in the world are you talking about?

I think if you told the American people they couldn't vote, they'd be out in droves.

It's funny how "negativity" towards Americans is considered a "leftist" trait, but yet it's perfectly ok by the neo-con right as long as you're questioning someone's or everyone's bravery and patriotism.
 
PsychoSword,

You noticed that too ;)

On the subject of the election turnout itself - I wonder how many of them would have turned out if they had known that regardless of which "candidate" they voted for - they are still just another client state.
 
Why is it PsychoSword that every single message you leave has to be some
whining, mewling, political drivel? Can you never answer a question with an
honest answer? Must you always droll on about the same old crap? The
QUESTION was, if DEATH were a very real option, for going to vote, here in
this country, how many people would vote? And yes, I do honestly believe
that the death toll would have been near 90% if not higher if not for the
american presence there, and for our training of their forces. And maybe
calling you on your negativity wouldn't be happening so much, if that weren't
THE ONLY THING TO EVER COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! I don't know you
personally, nor you me, so we must draw our conclusions about each other
from what we SAY, and most of what you say is NEGATIVE, and alot of it
leans strongly toward being unpatriotic and leftist.....but most is downright
condescending, sarcastic drivel.

.....if you don't want to be called a duck, don't quack like one.....
 
QUESTION was, if DEATH were a very real option, for going to vote, here in
this country, how many people would vote?

I tried to give an honest answer to a ridiculous question and it resulted in a little verbal tyrade that meant nothing.

Under what type of circumstances would you ever imagine this taking place. Wouldn't our republic be dead if there was a 90% chance of getting killed if you voted? Please give a scenario.

And yes, I do honestly believe
that the death toll would have been near 90% if not higher if not for the
american presence there,
and for our training of their forces. And maybe
calling you on your negativity wouldn't be happening so much, if that weren't
THE ONLY THING TO EVER COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! I don't know you
personally, nor you me, so we must draw our conclusions about each other
from what we SAY, and most of what you say is NEGATIVE, and alot of it
leans strongly toward being unpatriotic and leftist.....but most is downright
condescending, sarcastic drivel.

They wouldn't be voting for anyone to begin with if we weren't there, so it's another ridiculous nonsensical assertion that means nothing. Also, you just kinda pull those percentages out of your *** don't you..... Unpatriotic? Who are you, McCarthy?
 
Psycho, You should try not to be so negative or question things! Don't you know it OFFENDS people?? Facts and figures given out by the'media' are meant to be taken to heart,with no exceptions. To question, makes you some kind of nut, Conspiracy paranoid fruitcake! I for one am glad we have some down to earth logical people on this forum that know better than to question the official version.Who in their right mind would think the Iraqis are clueless?(Go to your local voting place) LAK, there is a difference in canadates! height,weight, color, etc. It is good there are some infomed people here. And some real great orators,or want-a-be's.Delirious t is a prime example. :D
 
Under what type of circumstances would you ever imagine this taking place. Wouldn't our republic be dead if there was a 90% chance of getting killed if you voted? Please give a scenario.

The point was, I was trying to give a nod to the Iraqi people for being brave
enough to risk getting killed to vote. And was wondering if the situation
were different here, and it suddenly became life threatening to vote, how
many people would? I mean, it was a simple question, that required a simple
answer. It wasn't laden with sarcasm and ridicule, so its no wonder it
confused you.

And as for Hooey, your name says it all. I didn't say he was a conspiracy
nut, or anything else, (at least in this thread) nor did I ever imply that people
should not question things. I simply asked why can he not answer a question
and why the necessity for being so condescending, sarcastic, and overly
negative?

And some real great orators,or want-a-be's.Delirious t is a prime example.

Never did I claim to be a great orator, just asking questions and expressing
my opinions, just like you. But if my writing skills are a little above your
level, or all the big, properly spelled words are a little too much for you, I'll
be glad to use smaller words, grunt alot, and misspell things..... :barf:
 
Johnbt,

Condescending? On the contrary - I think most of them know better. Are you trying to say that Iraq does not remain a client state?

This should be interesting.
 
Psycho, You should try not to be so negative or question things! Don't you know it OFFENDS people?? Facts and figures given out by the'media' are meant to be taken to heart,with no exceptions. To question, makes you some kind of nut, Conspiracy paranoid fruitcake! I for one am glad we have some down to earth logical people on this forum that know better than to question the official version.Who in their right mind would think the Iraqis are clueless?(Go to your local voting place) LAK, there is a difference in canadates! height,weight, color, etc. It is good there are some infomed people here. And some real great orators,or want-a-be's.Delirious t is a prime example.

DERIUS, you should try being a little more open minded. You can do it, amigo, just lean back and let the thoughts flow in. Nevermind FACTS: don't you know they offend people? Think with your heart, man! Not your brain. I realize you have been trying to get your info from a variety of sources, but you are trying Too hard. Just go to goggle and enter in "Bush sucks" or "all problems and no solutions" and you will be given all the info you need. And for God's sake, stop trying to give the Iraqi people credit for anything. It makes you appear supportive; it makes you seem like you actually prefer taking a stand and actually believe that We, as citizens, as soldiers, as thinking human beings...can make a difference. Remember our mantra: no one gets credit for anything, ever. It's all bad...very, very bad. ALWAYS.
 
Very articulate.

Client state - no matter who they get. And I am sure a great many of them know it very well.
 
"U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror

by Peter Grose
Special to the New York Times (9/4/1967: p. 2)

WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 (1967)-- United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.

According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.

A successful election has long been seen as the keystone in President Johnson's policy of encouraging the growth of constitutional processes in South Vietnam. The election was the culmination of a constitutional development that began in January, 1966, to which President Johnson gave his personal commitment when he met Premier Ky and General Thieu, the chief of state, in Honolulu in February.

The purpose of the voting was to give legitimacy to the Saigon Government, which has been founded only on coups and power plays since November, 1963, when President Ngo Dinh Deim was overthrown by a military junta."

..... a military junta backed by the CIA of course ;)

Indeed, nothing new under the sun.
 
..... a military junta backed by the CIA of course

Indeed, nothing new under the sun.
Try "backed by non-communists, like the previous regime, but not Bo Dai." Read up on the topic before making silly posts.

And, your analogy does not fit. Not even a little bit.
 
Hooey...
Do you have FACTS to back up that assertion or are you just reading from talking points that psycho left on your nite stand.

South Carolina...we're almost better than Mississippi.
 
Derius_T. I think this is the end of the beginning. Thanks to us, Saddam is no longer calling the shots, but they have a tough road to travel. The US and coalition forces can be of some help, but in the end, it is the people who have to form and function under whatever they come up with.

Those folks have a long way to go. They will have to get the vote count, work hard on building a constitution on which most can agree on, and then vote in their Parliment/Congress or whatever they are going to call it. A tip of the hat from me to all those who went to the polls.

This, in the middle of a war. I think it speaks to a desire to have some kind of a representative government.
 
LAK
When was the last time you were in VN those people who defied the VC and voted are still pretty much loyal to the Americans that were trying to help them.

Had our soldiers been allowed to fight the war with an end goal towards winning, despite political pressure from domestic non-combatants, the relationship that is just now being developed and the freedom and properity that is coming their way would have been in place 30 years ago.
 
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