Iranian Nuclear Weapons Negotiations Fail Again, Despite Presence of US Diplomats

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I thought that the solution to the Iranian Nuclear Weapons problem was simply for us to start getting involved in direct negotiations with them? However, this latest negotiation this Saturday that involved United States Representatives failed just like all of the earlier ones did. The Iranians once again refused to give any direct or clear answers about whether they are willing to end their uranium enrichment programs that produce weapons grade materials.

I thought that having American diplomats directly involved in negotiations was going to be the magic bullet that brought about a solution? Is that not what Obama has been calling for this past year in order to break the international political impasse over this issue?

Has it perhaps been a mistake for Bush to have caved in to political pressure, and have the US join the negotiating process?? Did this domestic political pressure here in the USA cause him to maybe make the wrong choice?

Here is a news story all about this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-iran20-2008jul20,0,4284096.story

Are people ( especially Obama ) simply being naive about Iran's political and military ambitions? How do you effectively negotiate with people who believe that you are a "GREAT SATAN" that must be destroyed?

After all, what did negotiating with Adolf Hitler bring about? Is that not a fair analogy to compare to these current political negotiations with Iran?

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Hey, you have to talk to people, that's how deals get done in the very long drawn out world of international relations. Still doesn't mean you can't bomb them later.

The Soviet Union killed a hell of a lot more people than Hitler, the US talked to them.
 
NY Times had an op-ed a few days stating that the situation is headed for a conventional strike that probably will fail, followed by a nuclear strike by the Israelis. Iran strikes out at US and oil targets in the Mid-East. So Iran gets leveled and we have economic crappola.

Charming prospect. Supposedly happens before Jan. Who knows.
 
If Israel goes nuclear they will really become a pariah state.

What they need to do is arrange a small nuclear explosion in Israel or the States and then nobody will care if they nuke Iran.

But then again, London or Paris might make a compromise choice.
 
Its all about stalling us until they get the bomb sitting on top of a few missiles and then they can tell us to pound sand while giving out nukes to terrorists. Our congress and the media will wet themselves and the major debate will then be how best to surrender.
 
If Israel goes nuclear they will really become a pariah state.
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Iran has been very calculated and deliberate in their efforts to obtain the atomic bomb. Their key enrichment manufacturing facilities are deep underground in very hardened structures.

There is simply no way that conventional weapons can effectively take them out. If an air strike on them is going to truly be successful, nuclear weapons must indeed be used in order to annihilate them.

This will then create a toxic radioactive cloud, that will float around the world, spreading harmful radioactivity. No doubt, Israel will indeed be strongly condemned in the International community.

But what other effective option will they have?

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These situations are perpetuated by us over and over again throughout history. Never in the annals of human history has their been a military might as efficient and destructive as that of the United States, yet we continually apply a topical ointment to the virus. It is our achilles heel I suppose.
We get involved yet refuse to continue long enough to kill the virus. Where's our fortitude?
 
Bush is using the same playbook as the latest Iraqi war. He gives them every opportunity to cave so as to remove any claim he failed to run out all alternative.

Radioactive mess? Neutron devices have existed since the 80's. Micro nuke technology is rumored to be commercialized. The US has technical means to deal with the Iranian issue. What we don't have is the political or moral consensus.
 
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