The Republican legislator + Gov Kim Reynolds got significant gun laws passed and signed into law {will be enacted July 1.} No longer will it be required to have a permit to carry concealed or a permit purchase a firearm within this state. Also there are other plans in the works concerning our rights as citizens within this framework. Thank you to all who worked so hard. 12-34hom
Iowa steps foward.
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Great move !!!
Wishing all, equal progress .....
Be Safe !!!
Especially appreciated when you remember where we were, let's say 10yrs. ago. Those Iowans that do not agree, are for the most part, uninformed. I have participated in a couple of "Discussions" and it soon becomes difficult to communicate the truth of what the facts are. .....
Wishing all, equal progress .....
Be Safe !!!
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I applaud the step BACK to common sense gun laws. Of course, they are going to catch hell from all the gun control people, and be unfairly blamed for every crime committed is a gun in Iowa from this day forward.
I hear a lot of chatter about how lax our gun laws are, and how easy it is to get a gun, and especially lately about how "all" (meaning most) the mass killers got their guns legally....
Yet no one seems to stop and realize, (let alone say) that the reason they got their guns legally was that, at the time of getting the gun most of them had committed NO crimes. And so were law abiding citizens the same as the rest of us, right up until they started shooting people.
The AR 15 has been on the market since the middle of the 1960s. Pistols holding more than 10 rnds have been on the market since..um..1935
Mass shootings were quite rare, up until the later 80s and have been happening more in the last couple decades. Something has changed, and it isn't the guns.
I hear a lot of chatter about how lax our gun laws are, and how easy it is to get a gun, and especially lately about how "all" (meaning most) the mass killers got their guns legally....
Yet no one seems to stop and realize, (let alone say) that the reason they got their guns legally was that, at the time of getting the gun most of them had committed NO crimes. And so were law abiding citizens the same as the rest of us, right up until they started shooting people.
The AR 15 has been on the market since the middle of the 1960s. Pistols holding more than 10 rnds have been on the market since..um..1935
Mass shootings were quite rare, up until the later 80s and have been happening more in the last couple decades. Something has changed, and it isn't the guns.
Aguila Blanca
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What these talking heads are overlooking (possibly by error, more likely -- IMHO -- by intent) is that especially where handguns are involved, buying the gun legally almost always means [drum roll] ... PASSING A BACKGROUND CHECK.44 AMP said:
You want common sense from these talking heads?
And I have not heard one mention of Cho, the Virginia Tech Shooter who killed 32 (33 including himself) with a Walther P22 and a Glock 19; BOTH LEGALLY PURCHASED WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS; in 2007. And one heck of a lot of magazines.
And this was after being found legally mentally ill.
And now the talking head narrative is this can only happen with an AR-15.
And in case of Sandyhook; could easily have been performed with a six-shot revolver. Six adults gone with the first six rounds, then the children. (And the AR was legally purchased by the guys mom, who he killed after stealing it from her.)
And no one wants to note Bath MI, 1927, 38 children killed, six adults....dynamite...still the deadliest in the USA
Just do some research on mass killings....
I really hate to admit it, but mass killings can be done at any time with basically any means known by some sick person and really, very little can be done. But reality is it takes human interaction to perform.
Time to walk the dogs....
Almost forgot, congratulations to Iowa. (Another misgiving in this life is that if a person worked for many years for Uncle Sam, we hate the idea of the 2nd Amendment....WRONG! Many of us believe in it as a defense of life.)
And I have not heard one mention of Cho, the Virginia Tech Shooter who killed 32 (33 including himself) with a Walther P22 and a Glock 19; BOTH LEGALLY PURCHASED WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS; in 2007. And one heck of a lot of magazines.
And this was after being found legally mentally ill.
And now the talking head narrative is this can only happen with an AR-15.
And in case of Sandyhook; could easily have been performed with a six-shot revolver. Six adults gone with the first six rounds, then the children. (And the AR was legally purchased by the guys mom, who he killed after stealing it from her.)
And no one wants to note Bath MI, 1927, 38 children killed, six adults....dynamite...still the deadliest in the USA
Just do some research on mass killings....
I really hate to admit it, but mass killings can be done at any time with basically any means known by some sick person and really, very little can be done. But reality is it takes human interaction to perform.
Time to walk the dogs....
Almost forgot, congratulations to Iowa. (Another misgiving in this life is that if a person worked for many years for Uncle Sam, we hate the idea of the 2nd Amendment....WRONG! Many of us believe in it as a defense of life.)
Aguila Blanca
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Was he found to be legally mentally ill? That's not my recollection. He certainly hadn't been adjudicated as mentally defective, and that's what constitutes being "legally" mentally ill (I think -- says the non-lawyer).RETG said:
Aaaaand -- wrong again, Aguila. From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho
Wiki is, of course, infallible...
What I remember from the time (and, of course I could be in error) was that Cho was seen by a "mental health professional" who determined he was mentally ill, but did not decide he was a danger to himself or others, and so did did not report him to the system until after the shootings, so he "fell through the cracks" in the system.
In this case, I place the flaw in the system on the mental health professional who failed to recognize or report Cho's condition accurately.
I do not fault the individual for that judgement, the mind of man is as trackless as a bog at midnight and many, many people have passed every test and check with flying colors and gone on to do evil.
Simply put, people LIE, and there's nothing that can be done about that.
Seems that the Iowa legislature and Governor also recognize this, and have taken the unusual step (for our times) of removing the requirement to use a system that presumes guilty until proven innocent.
What I remember from the time (and, of course I could be in error) was that Cho was seen by a "mental health professional" who determined he was mentally ill, but did not decide he was a danger to himself or others, and so did did not report him to the system until after the shootings, so he "fell through the cracks" in the system.
In this case, I place the flaw in the system on the mental health professional who failed to recognize or report Cho's condition accurately.
I do not fault the individual for that judgement, the mind of man is as trackless as a bog at midnight and many, many people have passed every test and check with flying colors and gone on to do evil.
Simply put, people LIE, and there's nothing that can be done about that.
Seems that the Iowa legislature and Governor also recognize this, and have taken the unusual step (for our times) of removing the requirement to use a system that presumes guilty until proven innocent.