edward hogan
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Likely covered ad nauseum here before. I Did look at the searches. But...
Do Private Sellers have any BATF-mandated need (or right) to demand a hardcopy signed FFL (or a faxed copy) before shipping a complete rifle or receiver to an FFL dealer in another state?
The question here is, IS THERE AN A.T.F. MANDATE that seller receive and hold any copy of the transfer agents FFL?
My understanding of the law is that Seller has a due dilligence duty to verify transfer agent is bonafide, but that this can be done by lookup on the BATF data base of FFL holders. Calling the FFL holder and maybe the police in the FFL's town, if Really Concerned.
Seller also would posess (if using USPS) a date-stamped Insurance receipt and Delivery Confirmation # which can be verified on USPS.gov, and then printscreened as proof of time of delivery.
Undoubtedly, it is a good idea to CYA with documentation, but since Pvt Sellers do not keep a log book, and are not required by law to obtain an FFL for their non-existent log, is there any reason to demand a buyer have FFL fax their Lic, other than having things, "my way or the highway!"?
None of the Sellers I've contacted to make a purchase this weekend asked me if I was prohibited from owning the rifle I wanted to purchase. <<I'm not.>> But all were adamant about getting a hardcopy of the FFL holders lic before mailing a rifle to this commercial, storefront, long established Sporting Gds Dealer.
One guy would not take my MoneyOrder unless the FFL signed copy accompanied my money.
I realize no one wants to be in legal jeopardy, but it would seem Knowing The Law would enable greater confidence in observing it.
I invite your comments.
I have purchased from FFL dealers, interstate.
I understand they keep a book. I know they can accept a faxed FFL these days.
I know that if I ship my rifle to a gunsmith, I have no right to request a copy of the gunsmith's FFL before shipping. Yet, if my rifle were lost/stolen en route, I could have the same Legal Jeopardy these nervous nellies are so fearful of when they consider making a private sale through an FFL.
Comments Please.
Do Private Sellers have any BATF-mandated need (or right) to demand a hardcopy signed FFL (or a faxed copy) before shipping a complete rifle or receiver to an FFL dealer in another state?
The question here is, IS THERE AN A.T.F. MANDATE that seller receive and hold any copy of the transfer agents FFL?
My understanding of the law is that Seller has a due dilligence duty to verify transfer agent is bonafide, but that this can be done by lookup on the BATF data base of FFL holders. Calling the FFL holder and maybe the police in the FFL's town, if Really Concerned.
Seller also would posess (if using USPS) a date-stamped Insurance receipt and Delivery Confirmation # which can be verified on USPS.gov, and then printscreened as proof of time of delivery.
Undoubtedly, it is a good idea to CYA with documentation, but since Pvt Sellers do not keep a log book, and are not required by law to obtain an FFL for their non-existent log, is there any reason to demand a buyer have FFL fax their Lic, other than having things, "my way or the highway!"?
None of the Sellers I've contacted to make a purchase this weekend asked me if I was prohibited from owning the rifle I wanted to purchase. <<I'm not.>> But all were adamant about getting a hardcopy of the FFL holders lic before mailing a rifle to this commercial, storefront, long established Sporting Gds Dealer.
One guy would not take my MoneyOrder unless the FFL signed copy accompanied my money.
I realize no one wants to be in legal jeopardy, but it would seem Knowing The Law would enable greater confidence in observing it.
I invite your comments.
I have purchased from FFL dealers, interstate.
I understand they keep a book. I know they can accept a faxed FFL these days.
I know that if I ship my rifle to a gunsmith, I have no right to request a copy of the gunsmith's FFL before shipping. Yet, if my rifle were lost/stolen en route, I could have the same Legal Jeopardy these nervous nellies are so fearful of when they consider making a private sale through an FFL.
Comments Please.