Internet Rumours?Glock goes Kaboom!

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warhammer357

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From time to time people on this forum and others will point to lamentable problems with their pet auto only to have fundamentalist/fanatics to Gaston Glocks Tactical Tupperwear bear great umbrage at any negative comment made on their favored brand of tactical tupperwear.
Beretta buffs don't deny the cracked slides and locking blocks of the M-9.
1911 buffs admit to the occassional jam in their pet design.
But diehard Glock-aholics regard all failures of the polymer parabellum plinker as "Internet Rumours" and "Lies."
Well, here are is a link to a page with photos for those who just can't believe everything they hear or read.....

Oh yeah, and for the record, I owned a G-17 and a G-19. I traded both off. The 17 was accurate and reliable but just felt clunky in the hand. The 19 was barely adequate as a paperweight.



http://www.frontsight.com/safety.htm

there is also an AD in there with another make of arm.
 
I'm curious Warhammer.
You are new here.
Why start a bashing thread?

Anyway, I'll bite first.
I'm not a fanatic, but I do consider the Glock to be one of the safest, most reliable pistol designs ever.

Like any machine, any handgun will fail.
There are factual problems with Glock .40 cal weapons when using reloads, (as the article in your link stated).
Glocks can also be made to explode using lead ammo.
Both of these are prohibited in the Glock manual.

If you shoot factory ammo, and don't get one of the occasional over charges that get by QC, then your Glock will outlast you.
If you do sloppy reloads, or get the bad factory load in any revolver or auto, guess what?
KaBoom!

I have a LE friend, who was shooting one of the first 9/40 Glock conversions. He was shooting his lead reloads in his new .40 cal barrel. (Even though he knew this was a no-no.)
Guess what? KB!

I've owned 9 and .40 Glocks for years. Factory ammo, (including Wolfe), several hundred rounds per month. No lead, no reloads, ... no KaBooms.

The original Glock was a 9mm, and I think that will always be the best Glock.

- Oh, and the so-called "AD" in your link was a typical "My gun went off because my finger pulled the trigger, must be a bad design."
As Lucy would say, "Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!"
 
It's no rumor. There are more blown up Glocks because there are more Glocks. I know because I just blew up a G34 one week ago in a match. The only damage was a bruised finger and broken mag catch. Generally when a steel frame gun blows up there is alot more damage to both the gun and shooter.

See http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74420 for pictures
 
Yeah wahammer!

What is your deal.

The Glocks go kaboom just like any other gun facing bad ammo with bullet setback, underhcarge or undercharging.

Nobody denies that.

Where have you been?
 
And not all guns suit us all.

My collection is quite diverse.

But, FTR, Glock has the LE market and my beloved 357 SIG Glocks protect our President. So they must be okay.

But most of us love our SIgs, Beretta's, Colts, SWs etc.

I don't like one dimensional shooters.

And if you have carbines and rifles, you got to buy other than Glock.

Other than the one gun Glock owner, most shooter have several brands.
 
Beretta buffs don't deny the cracked slides and locking blocks of the M-9.
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Oh, but some do. (And the cracked slide thing is a vanishingly rare occurance...)
1911 buffs admit to the occassional jam in their pet design.
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Really? I can think of a couple of rather vocal ones off the top of my head that claim it's the most feed-reliable design in the world.


Seeing as how I own 1911's, Glocks and Berettas, what kind of fundamentalist/fanatic am I supposed to be?




Silly little tribes, again.
 
First, I own a Glock 21 and 34, had a 33, all great guns. No matter what any of the Glockaholics' say there is too much unsupported brass in the Glock barrel design. In theory I can see why Glock did this, better feeding. If someone ever throated a 1911 barrel to resemble a Glock you would have to call them a hack.
Now if Glock's barrel design was better that would mean that my 21 with a BarSto barrel would be less reliable, because the BarSto has maybe 25% of unsupported brass as the Glock barrel. So without the super throated barrel found on Glocks why is the BarSto barrel 100% reliable, not one jam, ever. Seems to me Glock is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
Personally I wouldn't own a .40 Glock without an aftermarket barrel.
 
Warhammer's right.Glock owners are MUCH more likely to refuse to admit a problem with their gun than all other brand owners put together,at least in my experience.:eek:
 
schild,

No matter what any of the Glockaholics' say there is too much unsupported brass in the Glock barrel design.
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Pls. explain following picture.

unsupportednonsense.jpg


(L to R: G23C, 96D, P-226, all factory barrels.)
 
Some Glocks go KB because of lead bullets. Glock's polygonal bore can't handle a sustained diet of lead as it causes the pressure to increase to KB levels. There's an old thread here at TFL explaining it much better than my feeble summary.
 
Hi!........My name is Forby........and I'm a Glockaholic.

My G36 won't feed anything well and I'm working to try and get it better.

I hope some day to have no feeding issues, but until then, I'm cold turkey on my G36.

Thank God for my H&K. It's what I carry when my other guns are in the shop.

By the way, do 357 sig Glocks go KaBoom??
 
Points

For the record, the point was not that Glocks are awful, worthless pieces of junk. Had I thought that,I would not have held onto the G-17 for so many years. I would not have carried a Glock to save my bacon.
The POINT is that whenever a shortcoming of a Glock comes to light, Glock-a-holics rant, rave, scream and jump in the air and start bandying about the term "internet rumors"....Don't take my word for it. Go back a few weeks to the posting about a Glock accidental discharge and see for yourself.
My personal favorite semi-auto is the 1911.
Let me be the first to point out, not every 1911 is perfect , as every maker makes lemons from the best gun designs. I still have a Combat Commander that is spotty when it comes to feeding anything but hardball out of seven round magazines. My first Springfield was almost impossible to disassemble, then the slide could NOT BE forced back on the frame. Had to send it back to the factory.
I have only seen two Glock problems personally. I have seen a lot more 1911 problems. That doesnt make me like the 1911 any less. In a well made example the 1911 is the bees knees. The only semi-autos I have ever used that were jamm-free were the Beretta 92 and the Browning P-35 High Power. Note that both guns have reps for cracked slides. Nothing is perfect, not even a Glock.
 
jtduncan -
But, FTR, Glock has the LE market and my beloved 357 SIG Glocks protect our President. So they must be okay.
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I thought the USSS carried Sigs (P229) not Glocks.

Glockaphiles do appear to be a little quicker to defend their weapons, and a little slower to admit that Glocks can have problems (not just kabooms).
 
Tamara I stand by my statement, my G21 barrel has 4X the unsupported brass as my G21 BarSto barrel. And your photo offers as much "proof" as my statement!(you need a MUCH better photograph to prove anything to me.)
Again, I am not anti-Glock, I'm just reporting what I see with my own eyes.
 
schild,

That P-226 has as much unsupported area as the Glock and a looser chamber. (These are two characteristics of Glocks frequently stated as Gospel on the errornet) The 96D has a couple of thousandths less exposed brass, a chamber that is not measurably tighter, and thinner chamber walls. (Another frequent .40 Glock "fact" on the net.)

Glocks are involved in more semiauto blowups than other brands in much the same way that GM products are involved in more drunk-driving wrecks than other brands.
 
Not a Glop Fan

I am not a glock fan. I happen to think that they are bought by LE agencies for many reasons, but safety isn't one of them. Glocks have the highest incidence of ND's of any gun currently in use by LE. Some people will claim that is because they are the most proliferious gun used by LE. Other people will tell you it's because LEO's aren't usually "gun guys". But I happen to think it's because of an inherant design flaw.

I have personally seen 2 blown up Glocks, on the counter in front of me. [Didn't actually witness the event.] Both were .40 cal. Both were using factory new ammo. I don't know if the owners of the guns shot lead in them on a regular basis, but in any case they were KB'd big time.

I don't think that ALL Glocks are unsafe. I do think that the older .40 cal. models are much less safe then the newer versions. The older ones just weren't designed for the larger .40 bbl. I happen to think that the trigger safety thing is kinda lame. I aslo don't like striker type firing pin mechanisms. You get one trigger pull per round period! If you happen get a hard primered round in a Glock and it doesn't go BANG, well tough ****! Stop, and tap, rack. On hammer driven guns you keep pulling the trigger, the firing pin will smack that round again. THEN if it doesn't go, eject it. One more complaint about Glocks before I quit. WHO in thier right mind would think it is a good idea to have to pull the trigger to get the slide off!! (BIG contributor to the ND's I mentioned earlier.)

Want a totaly reliable semi-auto that won't KB? Get a SIG!
Yes it's heavier.
YES it's more expensive.
YES it looks nicer.
AND YES MY LIFE is worth it!
 
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