Interesting Post from Another Forum

Ran across this on another forum. Interesting idea:
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http://www.huntamerica.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000971.html

"A while back I proposed that we get all the gun owners and gun manufacturers to simply stick together and quit obeying gun control, licensing, and registration laws. The point is, we already have legal protection for that right in the 2nd Amendment, so this is not a matter for Congress to settle, not for the President, not for the Supreme Court--as citizens, it is our business. We simply need to remind the government of that. This won't cost us anything but time...not even legal fees or bail, provided we all hang together.

That means we all carry openly, every day, while going to the grocery store,
renting movies, taking the kiddies to school, whether it's legal in your state or not, whether you even want to carry or not. Many of us wear our pistols everyday anyway, and those who don't--well, it seems like a small price to pay to help reaffirm our Constitutional right to bear arms. If we can get but 10% of the 80 million gun owners to participate, that averages out to 160,000 per state!!

We kick it off by getting at least 500 men and women together in as many towns as possible and simply gather in a big, open town square, park, etc., wearing our sidearms openly, and--heck, making ourselves as harmless-looking as possible...giving out free milk and cookies (hehe) to passersby. Read Dr. Seuss stories to kids with our big bad pistols on our belts. Be as innocent looking and unthreatening as possible. They gonna arrest 500, or 1,000, or 2,000 of us at one time? Heck no.

This is not meant to be a one time event...this would be a statement that as free citizens protected by the Bill of Rights, we are invoking the 2nd Amendment and announcing that, from here on, we will abide by the Bill of Rights alone in regards to our personal weapons.

So, there you have it. No verbal threats, no intentional intimidation or posturing, nothing at all like that. The government will never restore our 2nd Amendment protections no matter who we vote for, how often we vote, or how often the Supreme Court rules on it (which ain't often, folks).

If we all force the issue together by simply DOING what we have a right to DO, and
thereby tell the government that their unconstitutional laws have no force, there will be no war, probably very little or no violence at all if done right, peaceably, but confidently.

But then I guess it's easier to write checks, join the NRA, write letters, vote for pathetic windbags, bitch about our favorite overweight sexually-confused feminazi talk show hostess, complain about bad Public Relations moves, write-off the militias, cower before the government, and whine about the antis to each other than it is to stand up and act like Americans, peaceably, but confidently.

If you want something done right, do it yourself. We need no permission. We just need the will to get it done...peaceably, but confidently.

And don't give me the voting routine, cause natural rights are not bestowed by popular vote, and therefore can't be rescinded or restored by popular vote. The time has come to act. If we cannot, after all that has happened, after all that continues to happen, and all that we allow, well, that means as a group, us gunowners are either afraid, apathetic, stupid, or unorganized.

Solving the last one is easy, especially with the format we're all communicating in.
Solving the first three is a tad more difficult...

What's it gonna be?"
 
One of the reasons this can't happen is that most of the people who own guns aren't against gun control.

I have trouble finding gun owners who are against the Brady bill.

How many hunters concealed carry?

As for the rest, that's nothing - they made that room in the prisons for people caught with dope (victimless crime), they'll skoosh over and make room for you.


Battler.
 
They gonna arrest 500, or 1,000, or 2,000 of us at one time? Heck no.

[wetblanket]
Heck no is right. They'll just hose you down with MP5s if they're in a good mood, and tear gas if they're not.
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From some one who has witnessed the Louisianna Criminal Justice System first hand during Mardi Gras, I can guarantee you, the brass will make room for 500.
 
It all sounds good, but anyone who's ever tried to get gun owners organized to do _anything_ will tell you that there will only be one person there: you.

I have this same fantasy all the time. I also have dreams that a twenty-some year old Sophia Loren is in love with me.

Dick
 
Short term I agree with the wet blankets. But eventually the pimple of repression will pop, perhaps when they begin to misuse our mental health records, maybe when they shut down NICS during a riot, maybe, maybe.

The original poster is correct on his premise. It is not up to them, it is up to us.

Rick
 
You come right down to it, their biggest advantage in this fight is that we're reasonable, and they're not. Every day that Washington doesn't burn to the ground is a testament to our esentially peaceful nature... Can you imagine the carnage if the 13th amendment were treated this way???

Not that having essentially complete control of the media, the educational system, and the courts, isn't of some help to them, of course. ;)

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
sweet sounding idea,BUT......

500 of us? they will arrest us in a heart beat
no sweat, they won't even have to call reinforcments from further away than 15 miles.

5000? okies they will have to call in police from the whole state.

take it from an old hippie, when we gathered in washington dc(so sad to have such a sinkhole named after the father of our country) 50,000 strong ,they had police from as far away as michigan on the lines. and used RFK stadium to hold us for processing.
(of course if you climbed up onto the mens room roof and jumped over the fence you could take the bus back to the demonstrations.)

rms/pa
 
They wouldn't arrest anybody! Y'all ain't skeered are ya'? If I'm doing something constitutionally protected, f**k em! They ain't taking me to jail. If a person surrendered and went to jail, that person would be admitting that THEY are right! What the h**l? That individual is right. I would stand by him (or her) in an instant. This the right thing to do! It will force them to act upon it, and make a decision: do they want war or what?

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"Vote with a Bullet."
 
Won't happen and I must comment that when in TX, Black Americans protested what they thought was an injustice and carried firearms in a lawful manner, on several gun forums, many so-called believers in the RKBA had seizures and argue for the Texas Rangers to take them down.

Some people argue that a gun is just a tool - it's harmless like your toaster.

Unfortunately, most of us wouldn't go to jail for our toaster and most gunowners will go along with the laws.

Look at it this way, supposedly 40-50% of households own firearms. But, in states with shall issue laws only 1-4% of the pop. get permits or CHLs. If you think folks were really concerned, you would get a much higher percent. You don't. I have tried to convince my hunting friends to get a CHL. Nope.

They won't care because there will always be a way to go shoot the ducky.
 
"They gonna arrest 500, or 1,000, or 2,000 of us at one time? Heck no."

Reminds me of a great line from the movie
"Ship of Fools" (Jews going back to Germany in the mid-30s): "There are over 6 million of us. Do you think they can kill us all?"

They sure tried.

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The New World Order has a Third Reich odor.

[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited June 28, 2000).]
 
Don't kid yourselves. The powers that be count on the fact that if they make an example out of a few people, or even a town, the rest will fold. This is a sound practice, history proves this out. It will not matter that 500, 5000 or 50,000 stand up to them. They really have the power. We have small arms, they have tanks, amoredpersonnel carriers, aircraft and billions upon billions of dollars to fund themselves. I do not know how many soldiers and marines would follow the order to lay seige to an American city, but they would find enough. Those that stand down or resist will be transfered out of the unit. How many cops would stand with the people they were sworn to protect?

Peole get your heads out of the sand. If the government wants to do take away our firearms, they will simply do it, Congress and the Courts be damned. Now, I do believe if they did, we would be plunged into a civil war. The ugly guerrilla type where no one stands a chance of winning.

Some one once said that for gun rights to be preserved, the hunters and skeet shooters need to get their heads out of their a**es and realize, it is not just handguns they are after. The "it can happen here crowd" are simply fooling themselves.

Right now: Clinton, "We don't want to take away anyone's right to enjoy hunting".

Three years ago: Tony Blair, "Hunting sports will be preserved in Great Britian."

FACT: The British House of Commons with the support of PM Tony Blair passed a bill that will effectively ban all hunting in England. The hunting ban will be punishable by fines and prison terms. It is not expected to get through the House of Lords. The bill also requires that no one under the age of 14 be in possession of a pellet or air rifle. Subjects that do own a pellet or air rifle must register the gun as a weapon with the local police. (source NRA Fax Alert 6/2000).

Okay people....Can't happen here?

WAKE UP!


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You can find the price of freedom, buried in the ground.
 
Sad fact is that it is happening here & not much of anybody is really doing one damned thing about it.

Sure, there's the "I'll get my gun"-guys & "NRA! = here, now & forever!" ... whatever .... it does go on & on and really does go nowhere at all.

Look at the latest rounds in NY & Kali (not to mention MA & 'bout every other state) ... + S&W bows before their "god" & watch them get raped - bent over/butt-up in submission & still they rape "us" & we will turn butt-up for more if they will only allow us that one piece left to exercise what we want - for now.

Sure. 50K & nobody will listen or pay attention.

How 'bout 500K? Can you hear it? Nope, not yet.

How 'bout everybody? All of us?

Nope. It just won't happen.

& you know why?

Because "I" won't take a stand. Neither will you.

We're a bunch of sissies & will never finally say "By God! Enough is enough! & I will not! Any longer! Take this!"

And it's not even about firearms any longer, Folks. It's about all of our freedoms - every one of them.

Go through the Bill of Rights & you will find that every one of them (with the 3rd being the possible exception) being violated to death - at every turn.

Where's the outrage? Anybody making much of a fuss?

Let's just leave that as rhetorical, for now.

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You either stand for your rights or you're just blowing smoke. You either have 'em or you don't.

'Course, it doesn't really matter at all 'cause it's all just "the 'net" anyway .... there's always MTV .... we can bitch to the choir & I do feel so much better now ....

You, yes you! start to take a stand. Right now - in your own town = all of you & tell them absolutely & emphatically NO! that you will no longer take any (not any further, but any!) infringements of your rights. Period.

You aren't the problem, you aren't the cause & by God! you are sick of paying for all of the societal ills.

Get a GD backbone & start saying it.

You start taking it back or you will be giving it all up as you already have started to do.

If you aren't up to the doing, you certainly don't have the balls to do the shooting.

Damned stupid idea anyway - having to shoot anyone while you can still actually participate in the process.

Buncha sissies.

( ... not even sorry for the rant 'cause I'm getting just fed up to here with the inaction ... )

Either get with it or just shut up & go hide your guns.

Bitches? You got the profile ...
 
If you throw a frog in boiling water he'll jump out.

If you put him in a pot of cold water and slowly turn up the heat, he'll cook!

Water warm enough yet little froggies...?


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"When evil wins in the world, it is only by the default of the good. That is why one man of reason and moral stature is more important actually and potentially, than a million fools". -Ayn Rand
 
I don't necessarily agree with this guy's plan either, but he's right about one thing--we're the problem. All we seem to be good at is conceding defeat and blaming everyone else for our problems. If that's the case, then the fight's over, and we've already lost. We should just have the guts to admit it and go on living "smaller" lives.

Pretty friggin sad if you ask me.
 
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