Interesting piece on the BBC radio this morning.

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It seems that, as forces pull out of the middle east and Asian conflicts, the US medical corp is now looking to other places that can provide the sorts of traumas that will approximate those found in a war-zone.

Their choice of location to find these sorts of injuries? 2 places in the US. One is Chicago.

The piece does mention the crime rate. Apparently, half of what it was in the 90s but also how the police would have used revolvers, but now travel with multiple full mags.

So the anti-gun crew would claim that their policies have brought about a fall in crime rates, yet the US military train their medics there because of the "abundance" of gun-shot injuries. Sort of suggests that their goals, re gun numbers and use have not been met.

It is pretty shocking that one can approximate a war-zone in a modern-day, western city!!

An interesting report.
 
It may be purely coincidence, but the last I heard was that the murder rate( or perhaps it was violent crime rate, I don't remember) has went down a lite since we have honest people legally carrying firearms.

I'm not saying that's the reason though
 
At one time (or still now) the Navy used LA hospitals for training.

So, what I'm suggesting is that Chicago isn't unique or not even the
only place used.
 
So, what I'm suggesting is that Chicago isn't unique or not even the
only place used.
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The radio report stated that the US Medical Corps was using two locations in the US to train their staff in treating firearm injuries. They were chosen presumably because they had a predictably steady supply of such injuries and the medical facilities to accommodate the trainee corpsmen and women.

They only said that Chicago was one of the two. They did not say which the other was, nor why only two fit this bill. Perhaps that is as many as were needed.

If there are so many to choose from, though, that is sad news for the residents in those places!
 
LA and Chicago might also suggest convenience:]

Navy/Marine complexes near LA.

Navy Training facility north of Chicago.
 
P, JP referenced the BBC:
The piece does mention the crime rate. Apparently, half of what it was in the 90s but also how the police would have used revolvers, but now travel with multiple full mags. (emphasis added.)

So the anti-gun crew would claim that their policies have brought about a fall in crime rates, yet the US military train their medics there because of the "abundance" of gun-shot injuries. Sort of suggests that their goals, re gun numbers and use have not been met.
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Be very very careful with crime report statistics in Chicago (and a few other large US cities (who share a common thread with Chicago...)).

Under the direction of Police Superintendent Gary McCarthy, CPD will classify / reclassify shootings and other violent crime to show improvement in statistics.

Journalist and researchers constantly find things like:

Someone shot on a State highway inside the City of Chicago is generally not counted

"Obvious gang related homicides" are often classified as "death investigations" for years, then they'll go back and tweak after everyone has had their first look at the stats.

The number of homicides reported at the end of the year by CPD is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the sum reported day to day, as noted by multiple newspapers and magazines.

One of the most influential aldermen, Alderwoman Carrie Austin who represents one of the hardest hit areas, has publicly called Gary McCarthy's statistics "Crap".

Chicago Magazine this year brought some of this to light in an expose'

Chicago Sun Times seems to do an annual 'roundup' of lost homicides

Federal government (FBI and Obama Administration) responses to the anomaly are lackluster at best, even though FBI internal communications obtained by journalist make it clear they don't believe the statistics either, but won't call Chicago (Obama's home town) to task.

As such, it's probably a pretty good place for gunshot wound teams to show up in the US.
 
Nothing new. In one city, the newspaper kept track of murders reported on a daily basis vs the end-of-year figures from the police and administration. The latter figure for one year was one-half of the former. The mayor accused the paper of "over reporting", whatever that is.

The worst is that if a city like that gets a new and honest administration, they will report the true figure, and be accused of the "rise" in crime!

Jim
 
The worst is that if a city like that gets a new and honest administration, they will report the true figure, and be accused of the "rise" in crime!
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Shouldn't be a problem. Those folks in/from Chicago seem to have "blame
it on the previous administration" figured out pretty well.
 
that is sad news for the residents in those places
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The crime rate in Chicago, like the rest of the country, has been declining for the last 30 years. 90% percent of people in Chicago wouldn't know there was any crime problem, if they didn't see it on TV.
At least they're in the United States.
 
Nothing new. In one city, the newspaper kept track of murders reported on a daily basis vs the end-of-year figures from the police and administration. The latter figure for one year was one-half of the former. The mayor accused the paper of "over reporting", whatever that is.

The worst is that if a city like that gets a new and honest administration, they will report the true figure, and be accused of the "rise" in crime!
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It still ought to be a capital crime to lie to taxpayers.
 
I can't find anything on the web to verify this, but I once heard that in Great Britain, unsolved murders are classified as "suspicious deaths", masking the true murder rate of the country.
Anyone from there able to verify or debunk this?
 
What do police sidearms have to do with the wounds being treated? I would not even bother wagering the vast majority of injuries in Chi Town are from other non-LEOs (nicest way I can say this)

If the cops were causing the injuries, there probably would not be a crime problem ;)

TCB
 
I can't find anything on the web to verify this, but I once heard that in Great Britain, unsolved murders are classified as "suspicious deaths", masking the true murder rate of the country.
Anyone from there able to verify or debunk this?
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Bit off topic, don't you think?

This is a thread about the US military using a city's regular influx of trauma patients as training for the sorts of injuries sustained in warfare.

Given that I know Chicago's policies fall below the threshold of good politics here on TFL, I thought it might have been of interest.

At least they're in the United States.
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Not sure what this means.
 
Pond, I think the reaction to this thread is relative to a perceived double entendre, and probably thought to be intentional. The "interesting" angle being the available trauma/triage environments that are available in the most unusual places, and the subtle offensive angle being a USA city's comparison to a war zone. I'm not convinced it's intentional, but I also don't find the information particularly interesting. Additionally, quoting the BBC as a credible media source for information on this activity is much like quoting any media outlet in the USA claiming that the UK has the highest violent crime rate in all of Europe, even surpassing that of the USA.
 
Pond, I think the reaction to this thread is relative to a perceived double entendre, and probably thought to be intentional.
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:rolleyes:

I shall be typing with kidd gloves from now on, so as not to cause offence....

Better still, next time I won't bother informing anyone of international reports that actual validate the claims on TFL that Chicago's gun policies aren't working. I foolishly thought that would interest people

Lesson learnt.

(noelf2: I appreciate the explanation regarding some comments and don't refer to you in what follows, but I'd suggest that any board members that get under garments in a helix over this should try not being so sensitive that instinctive response makes them miss the point of the OP.)
 
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Pond, don't worry about that guy. I read the same thing a week or two ago on a link on IE home page. I guess it just takes awhile for some news to reach over there. Maybe it was a message in a bottle and it just got there, finally. ;)
 
TXAZ said:
It still ought to be a capital crime to lie to taxpayers.
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If that were the case, you'd also effectively have term limits as the vast majority of politicians would be shuffled off to old sparky in record time :)
 
The area known as "the region" around Chicago has long been an area famous for it's excessive crime rate. The high schools would have to play sports events at undisclosed locations in the late 70's. I don't know if this still is being done. There would be no fans, family, or anybody else at some of the region's events as the event venue would turn into a war zone if the location was known. Very sad. One year we had cars turned over, burned, and destroyed after an event against a Gary school. Indiana had license plates that identified the county of origin at that time.
 
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