Interesting 1860 on GB
- Thread starter Fingers McGee
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freedom475
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not real handy for swapin cylinders is it?
madcratebuilder
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Now that is just wrong.
Fingers McGee
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yeah, I did.
madcratebuilder
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Maybe he's try to keep the arbor from pulling out of the frame, or just making an fugly gun.
CaptainCrossman
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pretty nifty mods, that guy knows his onions
CaptainCrossman
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the cylinder will peen a brass frame regardless of full loads or small loads, what's your point ? The fact is, those mods work- Replica Arms pinned the arbor to the recoil shield on their brass frame guns in a similar manner, right from the factory- by drilling it vertically straight down under the hammer- I have one of the old frames and inspected it. The arbor is still tight after 40 years. It beats the crap out of loading it with 15 grains of powder all the time, nothing is more boring or ineffective than a blackpowder pistol loaded with only 15 grains powder. You seem to have an axe to grind with that seller, to the point of harassing his auctions here. Why don't you give it a break already, because you're coming off as the fox that can't reach the grapes here- it's not your idea, so it's not good ? yeh, we'll buy that...
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I disagree. Light loads will not drive the ratchet into the recoil shield. Heavy loads will to the point the gun is unusable. That mod will keep the arbor from pulling out but I never saw an arbor pull out anyway. I don't have an axe to grind with him. He's been here before popping off relentlessly about brass frames til we all got sick of his drivel.
fineredmist
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That is one expensive paper weight.
CaptainCrossman
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and if you drive a car a lot, the tires wear out too- what's your point ?
My point is if you keep loads moderate in a brass frame it will last a lifetime or two. Keep them heavy and it'll wear out fast. Since you made the tire analogy it's kinda like a kid with a hotrod. His rear tires won't last long but give the same car to someone who isn't a lead foot and those same tires will last a lot longer.
Gaucho Gringo
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Captain Crossman has been selling a bunch of guns on Gunbroker lately. When I see his name on an auction I just pass. Most of his guns have been brass frames but he did have an interesting couple of steel framed guns. They were Fankenguns that were made up out of various parts he had laying around. The list of the manufactures of the parts was a Who"s Who of black powder gun makers. I passed on these also, I was curious but not enough to take a chance.
madcratebuilder
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If these brass frame revolver wear out so fast why are there 150 year old S&B, L&R, and G&G's still around in shootable condition.
I could not agree more. Save your breath hawg, some people just don't get it.
I could not agree more. Save your breath hawg, some people just don't get it.
CaptainCrossman
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With all these these cheap, plentiful, but weak brass frame guns on the market now, it makes good sense to plate and pin them. Then you can load up with full loads of powder and the gun will stay together.
Peening the frame with cylinder is not even a valid issue. If you want to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs. What about the increased firepower, velocity, and performance of the full cylinder loads of powder, made possible by plating/pinning the brass frame ? It's well worth the increase in velocity and knockdown power, for a few little peen marks. With mods such as those, a brasser can be loaded with full cylinders and shoot all day long, just like a Remington 1858.
FWIW, the steel frames peen too. Any and every Colt open top peens the frame with the cylinder, by design. That's a red herring argument used as a distraction. Modern magnums stretch the topstrap eventually too, but you don't see Remington loading down their 357 and 44 magnum cartridges, because of it. What lame logic that would be. If the gun peens or stretches, then make the gun stronger- don't make the cartridge or powder load weaker.
I say it's a worthwhile mod, a few of those brass frames guns have come apart while I was shooting them, they can use all the help they can get. Looks ? What kind of person walks around trying to impress people with the looks of his gun. Who cares ? I don't remember seeing any wars won, or game killed, or smaller groups on targets, because a gun was good looking. That and 10 cents will buy you a cup of coffee, looks are window dressing, and subjective- all that glitters is not gold. Form should follow function, the plate on the "hot rod" gun says the structural weakness was recognized and addressed. I'm more impressed by the hand made plate fashioned in for strength, than by perfect bluing in that area on an otherwise weak gun. Like looking at a tunnel ram and 2-4's sticking out of a square hole cut in a Camaro hood- what kind of person complains about the hole- seems like selective bitching/nitpicking to me. The "looks" mindset is what gave us brass frames and "nickel" plated brass guns, for $250-$350 each new a few years back. The guys who bought them and were fooled by looks, got ripped off badly. Now they sell for $129 at Cabelas. That's what happens to a weak gun with good looks- devaluation and depreciation. The gun has to be structurally sound first.
Peening the frame with cylinder is not even a valid issue. If you want to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs. What about the increased firepower, velocity, and performance of the full cylinder loads of powder, made possible by plating/pinning the brass frame ? It's well worth the increase in velocity and knockdown power, for a few little peen marks. With mods such as those, a brasser can be loaded with full cylinders and shoot all day long, just like a Remington 1858.
FWIW, the steel frames peen too. Any and every Colt open top peens the frame with the cylinder, by design. That's a red herring argument used as a distraction. Modern magnums stretch the topstrap eventually too, but you don't see Remington loading down their 357 and 44 magnum cartridges, because of it. What lame logic that would be. If the gun peens or stretches, then make the gun stronger- don't make the cartridge or powder load weaker.
I say it's a worthwhile mod, a few of those brass frames guns have come apart while I was shooting them, they can use all the help they can get. Looks ? What kind of person walks around trying to impress people with the looks of his gun. Who cares ? I don't remember seeing any wars won, or game killed, or smaller groups on targets, because a gun was good looking. That and 10 cents will buy you a cup of coffee, looks are window dressing, and subjective- all that glitters is not gold. Form should follow function, the plate on the "hot rod" gun says the structural weakness was recognized and addressed. I'm more impressed by the hand made plate fashioned in for strength, than by perfect bluing in that area on an otherwise weak gun. Like looking at a tunnel ram and 2-4's sticking out of a square hole cut in a Camaro hood- what kind of person complains about the hole- seems like selective bitching/nitpicking to me. The "looks" mindset is what gave us brass frames and "nickel" plated brass guns, for $250-$350 each new a few years back. The guys who bought them and were fooled by looks, got ripped off badly. Now they sell for $129 at Cabelas. That's what happens to a weak gun with good looks- devaluation and depreciation. The gun has to be structurally sound first.
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Smokin_Gun
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I dunno maybe it's jus' me, but if I din't like brass framed Revolvers I think I would simply not buy one...