Info on Leinad .410 pepperbox

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Just picked up a Leiland/Cobray Model MR .410/45 LC for a song. Can't seem to find any info on this anywhere. Anyone out there ever shoot one? How is recoil? Favorite loads? Is is worth anything? The more info, the better. Thanks in advance!
 

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Ha!

Sorry I don't have any info for you, but I do have a question...

Does the cylander rotate with the motion of the hammer or is it manually indexed? The mechanism looks pretty compact, I wonder how many functions they were able to stuff in it.

How many rounds does it hold?
 
For all the ads that used to run in the Shotgun News for both kits and finished guns, I've only seen two of the Cobray/FMJ firearms. One was a double barrel SXS shotgun with folding stock, the other was a double barrel SxS handgun, which I shot...once, and that was more than enough for me. The extra weight of the barrels on yours might help a little.

KY Imports is selling them new for around $137.
 
It does not look to be the most refined thing out there. But if I saw one for a hundred bucks or so I would pick it up.
It is somehow strangely attractive to me.
 
I have the whole collection of the Ducktown made derringers and shotguns except for the MR in the 45LC/.410 I did finally find the MR in a .22 cal a couple of years ago. Most of the MR models I have found have been in horrible shape, probably from being carried in tackle boxes and hunting packs. They were sold as snake guns. They did not sell very well, so there are not many of the newer ones around. Would you be interested in selling this? I would make it worth your time.
 
I have no idea how well that contraption shoots, but I imagine that if you pointed that five-barreled monster at a bad guy, he'd lose control of his bowels right quick. I'll be interested in the range report.
 
Advice for Shooting the 45LC/.410 Pepperbox

I've had quite a bit of experience shooting this caliber type. I've owned the Model 4 & 6 American Derringers, the equivalent Bond derringer, and the Lenid double barrel model. I've found that shooting the 2.5 and 3 inch defensive load .410 shotshells (00 buck, 000 buck, #4 shot and the new Winchester PDX-1) can leave you hands hurting (or bleeding from the recoil). The use of the 45LC (actually just "Colt") is a pretty demanding load and I found that the smaller .45 Schofield round is easier on the hand and has better ballestics. I was able to hit the target (up to 25 feet) with fairly good consistency, but never better than 4 to 5 inch groups. The Schofield round is not as easy to find, but Cabelas and other on-line sources has them readily available. The cartridge is simply the short version of the Colt. It uses the same bullet, but a smaller powder charge, ergo... less of a kick. I think it has about the same feel or recoil of a standard .45ACP. In a pinch, I've actually used a .45ACP round with a small o-ring washer fitted over the end of the cartridge (close to the primer end). The washer fits naturally in the recessed area of the cartridge. This kept the bullet in place within the receiver, but I wouldn't recommend this (no advice) for anyone else. I took the risk and thankfully it didn't blow up in my hand. There is normally quite a lot of play or headspace in a small derringer, so this just worked out. Most older derringers have a tendency to rattle a bit unless a cartridge is in place to take up that space.

The new Lenid Pepperbox is roughly made with a blend of composite lower and steel barrel. The double barrel model I had for a short time required some much needed honing ("melting" of the sharp production edges) followed by a nice Duracoat finish. A larger grip would also be a necessity, if you have a manly hand and want to keep some skin after firing it. The inside of your thumb and the meaty portion between the thumb and index finger can take a real beating. Therefore, a shooting glove is "highly" recommended!
 
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