In the Fight Against Terrorism, Some Rights Must Be Repealed

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In the Fight Against Terrorism, Some Rights Must Be Repealed
By Junaid M. Afeef
ISPU Research Associate

The newly appointed CIA Director Porter Goss, believes that terrorists may bring urban warfare techniques learned in Iraq to our homeland. If he is right, we could have a whole new war on our hands. The prospect is indeed scary.

The idea of terrorist cells operating clandestinely in the United States, quietly amassing handguns and assault rifles, and planning suicide shooting rampages in our malls, is right out of Tom Clancy’s most recent novel. If not for the fact that the 9/11 attacks were also foreshadowed in a Clancy novel, I would have given the idea no further thought.

However, rather than facing this potential threat publicly, the Bush administration is only focused on terrorist attacks involving missiles, nuclear devices and biological weapons. Stopping terrorists with WMDs is a good thing, but what about the more immediate threat posed by terrorists with guns? The potential threat of terrorist attacks using guns is far more likely than any of these other scenarios.

This leads to a bigger policy issue. In the post 9/11 world where supposedly “everything has changed,” perhaps it is time for Americans to reconsider the value of public gun ownership.

The idea of public gun ownership simply does not make sense anymore. The right to bear arms, as enumerated in the Second Amendment, was meant for the maintenance of a “well-regulated militia.” At the time the amendment was adopted, standing armies were viewed with a great deal of suspicion, and therefore, gun-owning individuals were seen as a protection mechanism for the public. These gun owners were also seen as guardians of the republic against the tyranny of the rulers. The framers of the Constitution saw the right to bear and use arms as a check against an unruly government. That state of affairs no longer exists.

Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check. Even those citizens who continue to maintain such antiquated views must face the reality that the United States’ armed forces are too large and too powerful for the citizenry to make much difference. Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd. The Branch Davidian tragedy at Waco, Texas, was one such futile attempt.

The more important consideration is public safety. It is no longer safe for the public to carry guns. Gun violence is increasingly widespread in the United States. According to the DOJ/FBI’s Crime In The United States: 2003 report, 45,197 people in the United States were murdered with guns between 1999 and 2003. That averages out to more than 9,000 people murdered per year. Nearly three times the number of lives lost in the tragic 9/11 attacks are murdered annually as a direct result of guns.

Examples of wanton violence are all around. One particularly heinous incident of gun violence occurred in 1998 when former Aryan Nation member Buford Furrow shot and wounded three young boys, a teenage girl and a receptionist at the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Los Angeles and then shot and killed a Filipino-American postal worker.

Another occurred in July 1999 when white supremacist Benjamin Nathaniel Smith, a member of the World Church of the Creator, went on a weekend shooting spree, targeting Blacks, Jews and Asians. By the time Smith was done he had wounded six Orthodox Jews returning from services, and killed one African-American and one Korean-American.

Just recently, in Ulster, NY, a 24 year old man carrying a Hesse Arms Model 47, an AK-47 clone assault rifle, randomly shot people in a local mall. While the Justice Department did not label this murder a terrorist attack, all the signs were there. The Ulster, New York shooting is an ominous warning of what lies ahead. Terrorism can be a homegrown act committed by anyone with a gun and is not unique to a “Middle Eastern-looking man with a bomb.” As long as the public is allowed to own guns, the threat of similar terrorist attacks remains real.

The idea of curtailing rights in the name of homeland security does not seem implausible given the current state of civil liberties in the United States. The war on terror has already taken an enormous toll on the First, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments, and thus far, very few Americans have objected. In light of this precedence, it seems reasonable that scaling back or even repealing the right to bear arms would be an easy task.

In fact, it will be a very difficult task. So far the civil liberties curtailment has affected generally disenfranchised groups such as immigrants, people of color and religious minorities. An assault on the Second Amendment will impact a much more powerful constituency.

According to the DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, in 2002 41 percent of American households owned at least one gun. According to these same statistics, 50 percent of the owners were male, 43 percent were white and 48 percent were Republican. More than 50 percent of the gun owners were college educated and earned more than $50,000 per year. Regrettably, these folks are going to marshal their considerable resources to protect their special interest.

This is a shame. Instead of laying waste to the civil rights and civil liberties that are at the core of free society, and rather than squandering precious time and money on amending the U.S. Constitution for such things as “preserving marriage between a man and woman,” the nation ought to focus its attention on the havoc guns cause in society and debate the merits of gun ownership in this era of terrorism.

So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians.

The Second Amendment is not worth such risks.


http://www.ispu.us/articles/fightagainterrorism.html
 
So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians.

So long as guns are available, Ill be shootin back :)

Unless I live in NYC, NJ or Cali

WildsafeinAlaska
 
Being focused WMDs

I wonder if the president thinks we can handle any terrorists that turn up with conventional weapons.:D
 
hmm. i dont have data for 2003, but by my research through reports from the CDC's website, just 99-02 generated 45,000+ murders with firearms.

i love it when the oppositions research is so shoddily done, even when it may go in their favor.
 
Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check. Even those citizens who continue to maintain such antiquated views must face the reality that the United States’ armed forces are too large and too powerful for the citizenry to make much difference. Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd. The Branch Davidian tragedy at Waco, Texas, was one such futile attempt.


So in other words....we (the people) need better guns.

If I can recall correctly WE are the power of the country, not the government, and WE NEED to have the ability to replace the government at ALL levels if need be, this is not some extremist neonazi view, nor some crazy redneck agenda, this is in the GD CONSTITUTION!!!!
 
Yeah, well he and his copy editor can come and try to take them from me.

In today's world, the keeping and bearing of arms is MORE IMPORTANT than ever before.

If they can't see this, then so be it. As they are getting their heads removed painfully, I will be retaining mine, forcibly.

Wayne
 
So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians.
If a terrorist walks into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop, or a packed movie theater here in New Hampshire, where about one in twenty adults has a concealed carry license and no-license open carry and carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants is legal, they won't survive very long.

The author of this piece is proceeding from the premise of a legally-disarmed public as sitting ducks, which may be his own experience in universities and urban areas of the country, but it's a false premise in most of the rest of the nation.

The Tacoma Mall shooter was confronted by one armed citizen who failed to get a good shot - if concealed carry licenses were less of a nuisance to get in Washington, or repealed, perhaps that shooter would have been confronted by several more armed citizens, one of whom would have gotten the shot to stop him.
 
So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians.

The Second Amendment is not worth such risks.
I was wondering how long it would be before one of the enlightened ones would come up with something like this.

Two words: MOLON LABE.
 
"the United States’ armed forces are too large and too powerful for the citizenry to make much difference"

Tell it to the Viet Cong!!!! M.F.!!:barf:

Why is it always the secret police (Russia - China - Viet Nam - Iran etc etc or CIA that always discover reasons that "the people" are really in need of the superior ones supreme protection? Replace "citizen" in every line of his statement with "slave" and you understand him perfectly. Like that M.F. is going to be awake nights waiting for the call to - HIM SELF - come to our rescue. Die like good slave little people, we supreme beings will get it all down on paper after ward. BARF

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness". Amen
 
The idea of public gun ownership simply does not make sense anymore. The right to bear arms, as enumerated in the Second Amendment, was meant for the maintenance of a “well-regulated militia.” At the time the amendment was adopted, standing armies were viewed with a great deal of suspicion, and therefore, gun-owning individuals were seen as a protection mechanism for the public. These gun owners were also seen as guardians of the republic against the tyranny of the rulers. The framers of the Constitution saw the right to bear and use arms as a check against an unruly government. That state of affairs no longer exists.


Well, at least he admits that it IS "the People" who are guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms.

He pontificates on whether it's a right we should continue to have, but he does admit that it belongs to us, and not "the national guard." :rolleyes: Most gun-banners won't even admit as much as he does. (Of course, he totally misses the idea that armed Americans would very likely be the best chance we'd have of prematurely ending one of these terrorist shooting rampages. :rolleyes: )


Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check.


Well well well... I didn't get this poll sent to me. No one ever asked me about this. How about you?


Even those citizens who continue to maintain such antiquated views must face the reality that the United States’ armed forces are too large and too powerful for the citizenry to make much difference. Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd. The Branch Davidian tragedy at Waco, Texas, was one such futile attempt.

This guy is really obviously thinking-impaired. He takes the pathetically simple-minded approach of conveniently ignoring the difficulties that the U.S. military would have in waging a guerrilla war against even 1/4 of the 80,000,000+ gun owners in this country. What about military desertions, taking ordnance with them, in addition to their training? What about losing popularity for the anti-gun-owner effort when people get tired of shooting in their towns? How can the government use that massive U.S. military weaponry when so much of it would lay waste to Main St., U.S.A.? :eek:


The more important consideration is public safety. It is no longer safe for the public to carry guns. Gun violence is increasingly widespread in the United States.
Cite, please. Otherwise this is just an empty assertion.


According to the DOJ/FBI’s Crime In The United States: 2003 report, 45,197 people in the United States were murdered with guns between 1999 and 2003. That averages out to more than 9,000 people murdered per year. Nearly three times the number of lives lost in the tragic 9/11 attacks are murdered annually as a direct result of guns.

Ohhh, the appeal to emotion. How did I not see it coming? What the hell do gun murders have to do with airplanes used as missiles? What is the utility of comparing one to the other? By this logic, we should be banning swimming pools, cars and household pesticides and drain cleaners.


The idea of curtailing rights in the name of homeland security does not seem implausible given the current state of civil liberties in the United States. The war on terror has already taken an enormous toll on the First, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments, and thus far, very few Americans have objected. In light of this precedence, it seems reasonable that scaling back or even repealing the right to bear arms would be an easy task.


This abject MORON actually uses the atrocity of the loss of 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment protections as justification for taking away 2nd Amendment protections?! :mad:

Can you believe this?! He is actually saying, "Well, it won't be so bad to lose the 2nd Amendment because we've been giving up chunks of these others already"!!

And, um, "thus far very few Americans have objected"?! Has this guy ever learned to count?! LOTS of Americans are objecting. You see it in the letters to the editor of any newspaper every single day!

This guy needs to find out first-hand that even if people had no guns to shoot each other, they could still stab each other to death. :mad: Really, I mean violence has already taken its toll on idiot journalists. And very few real Americans have objected.


-azurefly
 
This guy must be in either the academia or media zone!

Both these zones are far up the intestinal tract!

How far out of touch must one be to get published?

The one right that protects all others is the second!

Let him publish bad facts and absurd conclusions, it just goes to prove that these type of people keep amazing us in their stupidity!

Abolish all constitional laws except for the freedom of free speech! All others give the unenlightened ideas and means to disagree with us!

Suspend everyones liberty for a feel good safety measure!

Where is our Benjamin Franklin? Who is our spokesman for logic?

Why aren't these type people called out publicly on basic errors?
Do we need a government media watch dog like they (the media/academia) like to propose at every chance? Oh no! That would be censorship!
(It's not the same as regular people's opinions, they just don't know any better, we didn't get our message out enough because the right-wing fanatics and wacko's conspired against "our truth"!)

Let them dribble! Let the US become their vision, then let them beg for that they so ignorantly oppossed!

I can spend all my life in school gaining knowledge or I could spend a day with my grandfather gaining wisdom.
 
Check this out, if you want to know more about the writer of this opinion:

http://americanmuslimjournal.blogspot.com/2005_05_01_americanmuslimjournal_archive.html

Junaid Afeef
Location:Illinois, United States

I am an attorney, activist and writer in the United States. I have been practicing law since 1994. I have extensive experience in civil and criminal litigation. In addition to my law practice, I am a journalist for Muslim Journal and a Research Associate with the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding. I was born in Hyderabad, India and came to the U.S. with my family when I was 4 years old. I am a voting U.S. citizen and a Muslim. I feel it is extremely important for Muslims in America to take advantage of the bounties of this nation (wealth, security & freedom) to work for justice (domestic & international). My writings have appeared in newspapers such as the Chicago Tribune and the Dallas Morning News, as well as online magazines such as altmuslim.com and muslimwakeup.com.
 
a Research Associate with the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding.

That and some things in this article suggest that the author's views are far enough left that he can see out of his ear...

Sounds like a neat trick to me.

I was always one who thought that while some views I wont agree with are out there, I never thought that the ones that this country fought so long and bitterly against (see "cold war") would be waved as a banner of "superiority over the masses". :barf:



Modern journalism reeks of Ellsworth Toohey.
 
"The newly appointed CIA Director Porter Goss, believes that terrorists may bring urban warfare techniques learned in Iraq to our homeland"

Such as... "Don't aim your AK-47, rather, point it at general direction of American tanks while holding it over your head, fire long bursts only." and "When Americans insult you via loudspeaker, charge their tank with SKS carbine" and "shooting at A-10A Avengers with Mosin rifles is a valid anti-aircraft tactic"?

"Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check"

This includes such known white-supremacists as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, neo-nazis like John Dingell, and out-of-the-mainstream people like Stephen Halpbrook.
 
I don't know why most here are dismissing this as liberal claptrap. At the rate the War on Terror is sacking the Bill of Rights, we're only about a 5 year Media Bandwagon away from this being "mainstream" thinking in America.

Quite frankly, the idea of the citizenry rising up against the U.S. government with their handguns and assault rifles, and facing the military with these personal arms is absurd. The Branch Davidian tragedy at Waco, Texas, was one such futile attempt.
Ignorance is Strength.

Be careful what you ask for, including "for the public safety in a time of 'War'". You just might become the "target".
Rich
 
I had to send the guy a note

telling him what I think of him... here's what I wrote:

"Mr. Afeef,

I truly hope you are not paid to write this ridiculous stuff. Do you really think by taking away guns from law abiding citizens this will somehow stop terrorist from shooting up a mall? Yes, I own guns, not for hunting for for my and my families protection. Contrary to your prejudice opinions, I consider myself a Liberal Democrat.

When they tell you to go get in the Boxcar, who's going to be left to protest?"
 
if concealed carry licenses were less of a nuisance to get in Washington, or repealed, perhaps that shooter would have been confronted by several more armed citizens, one of whom would have gotten the shot to stop him.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

I have a CPL issued by WA state. It took 15 minutes and $60. Less of a nuisance than my TX CHL, which was an all-day class, a range test, and $140 for the class and fees.

Maybe if the Sea-Tac area wasn't filled with sheeple who are scared of those evil guns, things would have gone differently.
 
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