IMR 4198 for .223 / 5.56 questions.

Reloading101

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I am new to reloading the .223 round. I bought IMR 4198 powder because it was listed on Hodgdon's website as a Military duplicate load. I am using a 55 grain Hornady FMJ bullet with Sellier and Bellot small rifle primers. The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4. I have worked up the loads for the entire spectrum of this and none of them will cycle my AR. My AR is chambered in 5.56. My factory loaded ammo seems to have quite a bit more kick than the loads I have worked up so far.

- Will a 5.56 chambered rifle hold higher pressures than a .223 rifle?

- If so, is it safe to go above the maximum listed for the .223 reload data?

- Is there load data for 5.56 that would suggest higher powder charges?

- Is there a powder I should look into specifically for running in the AR platform?

I have loaded the minimum all the way to the maximum in my current load data. I have never noticed a difference in the primers after being fired.

- What exactly do the pressure signs look like when trying to examine spent cases?

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
IMR 4198 is a relatively fast burning powder for the .223 Remington. Hodgdon's relative burn rate chart shows roughly each powders burn rate relative to another.

For 55 grain bullets in AR's I use hodgdon Benchmark, or H335. Some folks use Accurate 2230, some use Ramshot xtereminator etc...but they are all around the same burn rate.


Your problem with a quick burning powder is that the pressure curve is to short, and gone by the time the bullet passes the gas port to operate the action. It would work without issue in a bolt action rifle but you need some amount of pressure to exist as the bullet nears the muzzle.

I suggest you try a different powder, one around where I suggested, and try it again. Or, you can get a weaker spring and weight for your action and keep shooting these weak loads.
 
IMR 4198

I burn up 10 lbs of old Dupont IMR 4198 in an M16A1 carbine with a 14.5 inch barrel and a Ruger Mini14. The maximum listed by IMR for a 55 gr bullet was 21.5 gr back then (2001) and what i used. Never a problem. Still under powered when compared to Nato ammo.

Like i said above.
Location and size of the port has a direct effect.
 
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I don't have a lot to add, was hoping others might chime in first. All I can say is that 4198 is a lot faster and,a lot lighter charge than the powders I use. I'm dialing in RL15 and CFE223. Both are in the 24 - 25gr range. Right now I'm liking 24.5gr of RL15. (pushing 68gr BTHP's) I was using H335 for the 55gr bullets (around 22gr). My barrel is a 1:8 twist though so I switched to a heavier bullet to tighten the groups.

btw - not suggesting you try a heavier load, you're already near max, I would switch powders personally.
 
Have tried 4198. Have found it to be pretty accurate in my Rem model 7. Not saying whether or not I tried the IMR in a AR? Although if I were to reload for a AR. A ball powder is superior in such applications over a stick powder. With-out-doubt. Accurate Arms 2230 would be my preferred for those quick moving gas operated AR bolts shooting a 55 gr bullet seated in Federal brass. (only)

If you don't already have a set of Small Base dies for your rifles cartridge reloading? I suggest you buy some.

Light charges of powder in a gas operated semi-auto seldom function the action well. 1-gr. or less of a Max._ charging seems to operate most ARs as they should. Accuracy of those heavy powder charges may or may not be observed with your firearm.
 
High Pressure Signs in an AR15 223/5.56

The brass stays in the chamber and/or the rim is torn or bent.

The ejector hole leaves a raised area on the brass case head, as the brass flows. As the bolt unlocks, the raised brass may get swiped.

The primer flows back into the firing pin hole. Not a good sign as my CCI 400 primers do this at midrange loading.

Primer pockets become loose in 5 reloads or sooner.

Primer falls out, laying in the action.

Leaking gas between the primer and case. Check bolt face.
 
I never tried 4198 in an AR because my experience with it in a bolt action .223 was severely underwhelming. Mediocre accuracy and velocity combined with lousy metering in the powder measure. I have had better results with, well, everything else. My current favorite for the .223/5.56 is Ramshot Tac, but have used over a dozen powders from Accurate 2015 to H-4895 over the years with better results than 4198. I think you will find much better results with a ball powder, A-2230, H-335, W-748, etc.
 
IMR 4198 is a relatively fast burning powder for the .223 Remington. Hodgdon's relative burn rate chart shows roughly each powders burn rate relative to another.

For 55 grain bullets in AR's I use hodgdon Benchmark, or H335. Some folks use Accurate 2230, some use Ramshot xtereminator etc...but they are all around the same burn rate.


Your problem with a quick burning powder is that the pressure curve is to short, and gone by the time the bullet passes the gas port to operate the action. It would work without issue in a bolt action rifle but you need some amount of pressure to exist as the bullet nears the muzzle.

I suggest you try a different powder, one around where I suggested, and try it again. Or, you can get a weaker spring and weight for your action and keep shooting these weak loads.
Yeah. It shoots fine as a single shot. It seems fairly accurate too from what little I have shot it. I guess I will give the H335 a shot, (hopefully a bunch of shots, in a row, with no malfunctions.) hehe. Maybe I can sweet talk the wife into buying a .223 bolt action to use up my $25 worth powder that I have left. LOL Any excuse to buy a new gun is a good excuse right?
 
Reloading101 wrote:
The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4. I have worked up the loads for the entire spectrum of this and none of them will cycle my AR.

In 1980, I "standardized" on a .223 load of 20.3* grains IMR-4198 under a Hornady 60 grain spire point bullet. At the time, the intent was to obtain overall performance out of my 18 inch barrel Mini-14 equivalent to a 55 grain bullet out of the 20 inch barrel of an AR-15. I have since purchased ARs (Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Sport II) for my sons and these loads work equally well out of them as out of my Mini-14 with zero failures in 36+ years.

I have also loaded 50 grain Sierra bullets over 19.5 grains of IMR-4198 for use in a Savage bolt action, but shot some of them in the M&P-15s and they likewise functioned flawlessly.

Since my experience has been that IMR-4198 works fine in every gun I have used it in, the failure to cycle the OP's AR may be something unique to the rifle and unless he's wanting to have the rifle checked out by a gunsmith or engage in a forensic analysis on his own, the simplest solution is probably to try another powder. I like IMR-3031 and IMR-4064 as well as Winchester 748 for .223 and I've recently laid in six pounds of Benchmark because everyone tells me it's a wonderful powder for 223 even though I haven't gotten a chance to use it yet.

* Be aware that 20.3 grains of IMR-4198 under a 60 grain bullet is a less than maximum load per the Hornady Handbook #4, but it would be in excess of maximum per Hornady Handbook #8 and later editions.
 
I load 223 in my ar with either cfe 223 for the fmj loads and blc(2) for my varmint and sp loads. I do use IMR 4198, but in 45-70 gov't. It works good in that straight walled cartridge
 
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CAUTION: The following post includes load data generated by calculation in QuickLOAD software based on a particular powder lot, the assumption the primer is as mild as possible, and assumptions about component, chamber and gun geometry that may not correspond well to what you have. Such data should be approached by working up from published starting loads. USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL, nor QuickLOAD's author nor its distributor assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information or information derived from it.

I use IMR4198 quite a bit it my 5.56mm AR and have nothing but good things to say about it. I have heard mixed reviews online but in my experience it is a great performer giving high velocities in the common 16" barrels of 3000 fps with a less than max charge. (for 5.56mm)

As far as cycling the bolt, my gun has no issues and the powder makes PLENTY of gas as evidenced by the performance of the Daniel Defense muzzle break I have on the gun venting visibly and brass is ejected correctly and consistently.

For me, accuracy is excellent. Velocity is great. I use Quickload software to work up my loads. Many manuals are for 223 Remington and not the 5.56mm NATO. There is a difference. ;)

Here are a few loads that I have had good luck with. Take note of the warning above and always reduce and work up to maximum loads etc.

These are for my SIG M400 with 16" barrel.

55g Hornady ZMAX: 21.8 grains IMR 4198 for 3060 fps @ 62141 psi
I usually reduce this load to 21.3 grains to account for variations in brass since I use once fired brass routinely.

69g Barnes Match Burner: 20 grains IMR 4198 for 2740 fps @ 61852 psi
Reduced similarly to above for same reason.

55g Nosler Varmageddon: 22.5 grains IMR4198 for 3076 fps @ 62119 psi
Reduced as above for same reason.

So you can see it's a useful powder for the 5.56mm. I like the fact that it usually burns 100% of the powder and therefore keeps the rifle from getting all gummed up with residue like is the case with some powders, this has been my experience anyways.

Have fun.

Edit: after reading Unclenick's post below, I'll mention that I use Winchester Small Rifle primers in my 5.56mm loads.
 
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4198 was one of the powders Eugene Stoner worked with in developing the AR platform. 50 grain bullets initially, I think. It is considered a bit fast today and not to produce maximum velocity, so the gas port might be a tad small for it with the light bullets (dwell time too short due to light bullet velocity) but it should still be possible to make it work for you. Several points to consider:

The 5.56 NATO chambers usually are a little more generous at the breech end and have slightly longer freebore than a .223 Chamber, so pressures in them are a little lower for equal loads.

Some 5.56 NATO cartridges (M855 and SS109) are loaded to about 6% higher pressure on our conformal measuring system than M193 was originally, so the gun and chamber work fine with that. It looks to me like you would get there at about 21 grains of powder if you were shooting Hodgdon's .223 test gun. But you aren't, and in addition to the difference between .223 and 5.56 chambers, a test gun has the very tightest SAAMI standard chamber, so it gets the highest pressures. The ballistics test technical handles the test rounds so the powder always falls over the primer for maximum pressure, where the self-loaders tend to throw it forward in the case which reduces velocity and pressure unless the case is well-filled by the powder charge.

You are using a different primer. One of the mildest ones made, where Hodgdon is using a Winchester primer which is likely a little warmer (I haven't shot the two side-by-side to see if the Winchester produced higher velocity from the same load). In 2006, Charles Petty showed that primer choice can affect velocity by up to the equivalent of about 5% difference in powder charge in the .223 shooting a 55 grain bullet. If, however, you decide to go with one of CCI's #41 primers made to mimic military sensitivity, then you would want to back down a grain as those are magnum primers and noticeably warmer than the ones you have. But switching primers is another thing you can try.

If you switch to H335, you may need the magnum primer to get the powder to ignite consistently for best accuracy. CCI magnum primers were reformulated to light those older formulation, high deterrent coating ball powders in 1989. Hodgdon confirmed to me the formulation of H335 (canister grade WC844) is identical to what it was when it was first produced in the 1960's.

The bottom line is I expect you would have no issues working up to 21.5 or maybe even 22 grains with your current primer, though I would not expect to change primers without working the load up from lower levels again. Since I'm not there and can't inspect your cases for pressure signs, I have no way to be sure. It's just that for now, we know the loads feel mild and that the gun isn't cycling, and those facts say that between the chamber and primer differences you most probably have rather lower pressure than the published data have lead you to expect. Also, Western now publishes loads aimed at 430 MPa (62.366 psi) pressures claimed for European NATO rounds. This is probably at least part European vs. American measuring system artifacts and I got into a long discussion with them about it at the NRA Annual meeting, but was happy to conclude they were being more careful than I originally gave them credit for. In any event, they are apparently getting no damage reports, and, abstractly, that makes sense as the gun metal tolerates .308 and other rounds that work in that pressure range just fine. It would just be excessive gas port pressure and added throat wear that would concern you, and if no damage complaints are coming in, then these probably aren't a risky issue at that peak pressure.

Incidentally, military ammunition is required to be within not only pressure limits in the chamber, but within other pressure limits at the barrel gas port and to be within velocity limits that are about three times tighter than SAAMI limits for the same bullet weight. That's how they guarantee function.
 
My AR is a 16" Bushmaster M4 chambered in 5.56. It cycles perfectly with factory ammo, so I do not feel it is anything with the gun. I take factory rounds out each time to verify it cycles correctly.

I did a little more loading with the same set up. 55gr Hornady FMJ, IMR 4198 powder, Sellier and Bellot primers. I have worked up my load to 20.6 and 20.8 grains. The 20.8 grain load cycled the action a couple of times out of 5 rounds.

I cannot see any noticeable difference in my primers or brass through all of the spent cases I have shot. I have been keeping the spent cases lined up by load so I know which are which. I may try 21 or 21.2 grains and see if I notice any pressure signs.

Thank you all for the input so far.
 
How much of the 4198 do you have ? If just a pound , I'd give up on it and just get some H-335 and never look back . I've never liked the idea of using any combination of components that barely works the firearm . I'd move on from that powder to H-335 , IMR 8208xbr or 4895 , AR-comp , Varget , RL-15 the list goes on of powders that will cycle your action even at there start loads .

How ever if you have 8# then you'll need to find a load that works
 
The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4.

Go look at someone else's data.

1970s Lyman factory duplication load was 21.7gr IMR 4198, with a 55gr bullet, giving 3067fps. It is a max load in their listing.
Test gun was a Colt Sporter, AR-15 20" 1-12 twist barrel.

a 1980 Hornady manual gives a max of 22.0gr for 3200fps. test gun Rem 700 24" 1-12" twist.

Look other places and you'll find still more, and slightly differing data.

Go to a Win or CCI primer with the loads you have, see what, if any difference it makes. Consider using other data with higher listed max load for 4198.

Working up carefully, of course.

I don't use IMR 4198 in the .223, but it is one of my go to powders in the .222 Rem.
 
How much of the 4198 do you have ? If just a pound , I'd give up on it and just get some H-335 and never look back . I've never liked the idea of using any combination of components that barely works the firearm . I'd move on from that powder to H-335 , IMR 8208xbr or 4895 , AR-comp , Varget , RL-15 the list goes on of powders that will cycle your action even at there start loads .

How ever if you have 8# then you'll need to find a load that works

I agree on this one. There are so many powders that functionally work great in AR's, with just about any bullet, that there is no reason to try and tune a load to a gun that will barely function it properly. Even if he gets the thing to barely function, if it gets dirty, or cold with too much gummy oil in the action (because I think it's still summer right now ) , then he has an iffy load.

But with Ramshot tac, H335, Benchmark, CFE 223, Rl 15, AR Comp, 4064 etc etc he can find a better powder.
 
Another thing worth double checking:
Are you sure you're using the right data and powder?
IMR 4198 and H4198 are often confused for each other, but do have different load data.
Very close. But different.
 
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