Improper use of CW by A Licensed Carrier

C

carpfisher

New member
MI has a shall issue law. I hope she is convicted and receives the max.



Bang, Bang — Take That for Tailgating

HARRISON TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) — A woman who told authorities she was fed up with tailgaters pulled out a gun and shot at the tires of a pickup that got too close, police said. Officials believe the bullet missed the pickup, and no one was hurt.

Bernadette Headd, 39, was in rush-hour traffic Wednesday in suburban Detroit when the pickup pulled behind her, police said.

Headd changed lanes and fired one round from a 9 mm handgun, police said. The driver followed her and flagged down a deputy, who stopped her and found the weapon.

"She said she was tired of people tailgating her," Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel said.

Headd, who had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm from a vehicle and use of a firearm during a felony.

She was ordered held on $50,000 bond.




From Michigan;
 
Unfortunately there will be the .01% of CCL holders that shouldn't be carrying and will do really stupid stuff. You gotta have a really level head to take on this responsibility, that's for sure.
 
Unfortunatley she just gave the anti gunners some more fuel for their crazy agenda. Nobody is more pro 2nd ammendment than I am, however I was shocked at just how easy it was to get a CCW permit in NC. I am sure there are a lot of folks running around carrying a firearm legally that shouldn't be. Wacko's like this lady, mall ninja's and LEO posers are just some of the few. Not sure what could be done different, just saying it was awful easy!!
 
Gives us all the bad press... It was on the local news for a couple days.

I'm not sure I'd follow that crazy, but am sure glad she's not out there anymore... She still can't make bail.
 
If the story is being reportedly accurately, the alleged actions of this woman give all of us who seek to promote gun rights a setback.

If found guilty, the woman should have her CWP revoked permanently, ordered to undergo counseling and perhaps be sentenced to some jail time.

As promoters of gun rights and the Second Amendment, we should all condem these sort of actions loudly and publicaly.
 
If the story is being reportedly accurately, the alleged actions of this woman give all of us who seek to promote gun rights a setback.

If found guilty, the woman should have her CWP revoked permanently, ordered to undergo counseling and perhaps be sentenced to some jail time.
Click to expand...
"Perhaps" do jail time? I will have to disagree and say she should "definately" do jail time.

I am a firm believer of making people pay for their mistakes and this was a big mistake that threatened the lives of innocent people. She was lucky noone was hit by a stray bullet.
 
I think getting her CWP revoked is the least of her worries right now. Thats a given. It would surprise me if she doesn't get jail time. Well, actually it wouldn't surprise me, but she should. After being in L.E. for quite awhile, nothing surprises me now. I strongly agree with NCHornet's post. I'm very pro 2A and CWP's, but there just isn't enough training and enough time given for background investigations. It's just not possible to do a thorough background investigation in the amount of time given to do one. Basically, if you don't have criminal history and your up to date on your property taxes, you're approved. And most of the CWP classes are jokes. I can recall stopping a Bandito one time that handed me his Driver's License and his concealed handgun license. For those of you that are not aware, Banditos are a criminal biker gang that is nation wide. Much like the Hells Angels but much larger and more active. I stopped another kid one time that looked like Marilyn Manson. Had the long black hair, black finger nails, trench coat, and white contact lenses. Has one of those tiny little 22 mag pistols in his back pocket and a CHL. Talk about slipping through the cracks. Being able to carry a weapon brings on a lot of responsibilty and should require the same amount of training.
 
you guys are all to hard on her. Anyone can "snap" at any time. well, at least thats how its here in NYC. If her hate for tailgaters lead to murder, then so be it and so she shall be judged.

The 2nd is a RIGHT of EVERY CITIZEN ! . you shall have the right to carry until you do something to deny yourself of that RIGHT !.

RIGHTS dont have to be earned, you are born with them, or you are bestowed them upon becoming a citizen of the united states.

I Can carry all day, every day if I want to. just that IF I get made by the fuzz, I dont have a permit, and therefore I get arrested and then I get myself denied the right to own guns in the future.

TRUE ! not everyone should have guns. there are some real wackos out there, but until they do something real wacky, you dont know who they are.
 
I feel her pain. Driving near detroit in rushhour is madness. You can smoke a whole pack and still not get to your destination 11 miles down the road. /sillyness off.

I hope they throw the book at her. If i dont have the right to wig out in traffic round here no one does.
 
When traffick is bumper to bumper, how can you not tailgate each other? Since the guy followed her it doesn't sound like it was crammed together that much. Either way it of course gives you no right to start firing at someone's tires. Still, they say if you cram horses up into too tight a pen they will start kicking each other. Why should people behave any different? God didn't intend for people to live crammed into cities. As Thomas Jefferson said, "The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body."

She needs to spend some time in jail. Don't call it "a gun crime" or say "it's the guns fault" or "if she hadn't had a gun it wouldn't have happened." This is a person who had no self control and who lost their temper, as a consequence they endangered someone's life and should spend some time in jail. That's all that needs to be said.
 
I can recall stopping a Bandito one time that handed me his Driver's License and his concealed handgun license. For those of you that are not aware, Banditos are a criminal biker gang that is nation wide. Much like the Hells Angels but much larger and more active. I stopped another kid one time that looked like Marilyn Manson. Had the long black hair, black finger nails, trench coat, and white contact lenses. Has one of those tiny little 22 mag pistols in his back pocket and a CHL. Talk about slipping through the cracks.
Click to expand...

Criminal huh, Yet he obtained a carry permit so he would be legal and passed a background check. Guilty by association I guess. And dressing or acting different makes you a criminal or takes away your right to defend yourself?

But a fine upstanding soccer mom with a carry permit shoots at tailgaters.

Jim
 
Criminal huh, Yet he obtained a carry permit so he would be legal and passed a background check. Guilty by association I guess. And dressing or acting different makes you a criminal or takes away your right to defend yourself?
Click to expand...

Yeah, screw the whole "judicial process" thing...he's "obviously" a criminal and shouldn't be allowed to carry.

I also love that the "Marilyn Manson" looking kid shouldn't be allowed to carry. If there's one thing I learned growing up and hanging out with a lot of kids who were into either the punk or goth scene, it's that they have even more need to defend themselves than your average Joe. You'd be surprised just how often they end up getting assaulted for no good reason by perfectly "upstanding"-looking citizens. By the football players in high school, and by your standard bigoted rednecks in later years.

But yeah, we don't like the way they look so they don't get their rights, either.

The longer I hang around here the more insight I get into how far too many LEOs think, and it frightens me.

EDIT: As for the lady in the OP, lock her up. Reckless endangerment at best. She could have killed somebody.
 
Juan, you can profile people. Some groups of folks, do indeed have a profile. Those 2 nut$ax in Columbine certainly had one. When the LEO's chose to ignore it, as did the school, they got a slaughter. I'm only saying, sometimes its quite alright to get a feel for someone by the manner in which they are dressed.

Situation:
Your a cop in LA. Lets say 4 black/hispanic individuals approach your desk in the Sheriffs department. They all got "tags" tatooed on themselves, wearing what could be considered "urban fashion" clothing(to be totally PC) and are all wearing some large amount of Red. They inquire about getting a CCW permit. Would you be comfortable allowing them permits if they didn't have a criminal background? Would you say "profiling" these individuals is fair, or a form of racism?

I'm not being cynical to you at all, don't get that idea.

I'm with you. Jailtime. Fines. Beat her to death with the book.
 
Juan, you can profile people. Some groups of folks, do indeed have a profile. Those 2 nut$ax in Columbine certainly had one. When the LEO's chose to ignore it, as did the school, they got a slaughter. I'm only saying, sometimes its quite alright to get a feel for someone by the manner in which they are dressed.
Click to expand...

Those kids gave off warning sign beyond their manner of dress, from what I remember. Regardless, that's two nutjobs out of how many freaky goths in the country? If only two black guys had committed a crime all year, should we still treat all of them as potential criminals? At least we aren't actually talking about racial profiling...this kid did make a choice to single himself out. I guess that makes it marginally better.

I'm just saying that because of the manner that he chooses to dress (which is well within his rights, mind you) he has a greater than normal need to defend himself. Yet at the same time, you have an LEO insinuating that he shouldn't be legally allowed to carry a weapon should he need it to do so. I'm the only one who sees a problem with this?

Situation:
Your a cop in LA. Lets say 4 black/hispanic individuals approach your desk in the Sheriffs department. They all got "tags" tatooed on themselves, wearing what could be considered "urban fashion" clothing(to be totally PC) and are all wearing some large amount of Red. They inquire about getting a CCW permit. Would you be comfortable allowing them permits if they didn't have a criminal background? Would you say "profiling" these individuals is fair, or a form of racism?

I'm not being cynical to you at all, don't get that idea.
Click to expand...

I'd issue them the permit. If their records are clean, then what grounds do I have not to? Are they gang members? Possibly. Maybe likely. Of course, the argument is always that such people will get ahold of guns (and presumably carry them) anyway, so how much good do I actually do by keeping them from doing so legally?

Sure, you increased the chances that they could be picked up simply for carrying a weapon without evidence of any other crime...I suppose that's a plus.

Then again, in a forum where so many people advocate doing away with permits entirely, and the rest vehemently defend their inalienable "right" to keep and bear arms (even advocating armed resistance to the government) I find it amusing that you'd insinuate that denying a permit (assuming the law allows) and thus infringing on these men's rights would be reasonable. I guess it's just your rights that are inalienable. They're law-abiding citizens, just like you or I.

Innocent until proven guilty, and all.

So which one is the whacko PC liberal value? Innocent until proven guilty, or the right to keep and bear arms? Or is it just when you put the two together, like some sort of political chemical reaction?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top