Immigration bill loopholes!

DasBoot

Moderator
I haven't seen this posted here.
Sorry if it's redundant.

From Sen Session's site:http://sessions.senate.gov/pressapp/record.cfm?id=275456

Go to site for the entire 20 loopholes.
They wouldn't all fit here.


Loophole 1 – Legal Status Before Enforcement:

Amnesty benefits do not wait for the “enforcement trigger.” After filing an application and waiting 24 hours, illegal aliens will receive full “probationary benefits,” complete with the ability to legally live and work in the U.S., travel outside of the U.S. and return, and their own social security card. Astonishingly, if the trigger is never met and amnesty applications are therefore never “approved,” the probationary benefits granted to the illegal alien population never expire, and the new social security cards issued to the illegal alien population are not revoked. [See pp. 1, 290-291, & 315].

Loophole 2 – U.S. VISIT Exit Not In Trigger:

The “enforcement trigger,” required to be met before the new temporary worker program begins, does not require that the exit portion of U.S. VISIT system – the biometric border check-in/check-out system first required by Congress in 1996 that is already well past its already postponed 2005 implementation due date – to be in place before new worker or amnesty programs begin. Without the U.S. VISIT exit portion, the U.S. has no method to ensure that workers (or their visiting families) do not overstay their visas. Our current illegal population contains 4 to 5.5 million visa overstays, therefore, we know that the U.S. VISIT exit component is key to a successful new temporary worker program. [See pp. 1-2].

Loophole 3 – Trigger Requires No More Agents, Beds, or Fencing Than Current Law:

The “enforcement trigger” does not require the Department of Homeland Security to have detention space sufficient to end “catch and release” at the border and in the interior. Even after the adoption of amendment 1172, the trigger merely requires the addition of 4,000 detention beds, bringing DHS to a 31,500 bed capacity. This is far short of the 43,000 beds required under current law to be in place by the end of 2007, or the additional 20,000 beds required later in the bill. Additionally, the bill establishes a “catch, pay, and release” program. This policy will benefit illegal aliens from countries other than Mexico that are caught at the border, then can post a $5,000 bond, be released and never show up for deportation hearings. Annual failure to appear rates for 2005 and 2006, caused in part by lack of detention space, doubled the 2004 rate (106,000 – 110,000 compared with 54,000). Claims that the bill “expands fencing” are inaccurate. The bill only requires 370 miles of fencing to be completed, while current law already mandates that more than 700 miles be constructed [See pp. 1-2, & 10-11, and EOIR’s FY2006 Statistical Yearbook, p. H2, and The Secure Fence Act of 2004].

Loophole 4 -- Three Additional Years Worth of Illegal Aliens Granted Status, Treated Preferentially To Legal Filers:

Aliens who broke into the country illegally a mere 5 months ago, are treated better than foreign nationals who legally applied to come to the U.S. more than two years ago. Aliens who can prove they were illegally in the U.S. on January 1, 2007, are immediately eligible to apply from inside the U.S. for amnesty benefits, while foreign nationals that filed applications to come to the U.S. after May 1, 2005 must start the application process over again from their home countries. Last year’s bill required illegal aliens to have been here before January 7, 2004 to qualify for permanent legal status. [See pp. 263, 282, & 306].

Loophole 5 – Completion of Background Checks Not Required For Probationary Legal Status:

Legal status must be granted to illegal aliens 24 hours after they file an application, even if the aliens have not yet “passed all appropriate background checks.” (Last year’s bill gave DHS 90 days to check an alien’s background before any status was granted). No legal status should be given to any illegal alien until all appropriate background checks are complete. [See pp. 290].

Loophole 6 – Some Child Molesters Are Still Eligible:

Some aggravated felons – those who have sexually abused a minor – are eligible for amnesty. A child molester who committed the crime before the bill is enacted is not barred from getting amnesty if their conviction document omitted the age of the victim. The bill corrects this loophole for future child molesters, but does not close the loophole for current or past convictions. [See p. 47: 30-33, & p. 48: 1-2]

Loophole 7 – Terrorism Connections Allowed, Good Moral Character Not Required:

Illegal aliens with terrorism connections are not barred from getting amnesty. An illegal alien seeking most immigration benefits must show “good moral character.” Last year’s bill specifically barred aliens with terrorism connections from having “good moral character” and being eligible for amnesty. This year’s bill does neither. Additionally, bill drafters ignored the Administration’s request that changes be made to the asylum, cancellation of removal, and withholding of removal statutes in order to prevent aliens with terrorist connections from receiving relief. [Compare §204 in S. 2611 from the 109th Congress with missing §204 on p. 48 of S.A. 1150, & see missing subsection (5) on p. 287 of S.A. 1150].

Loophole 8 – Gang Members Are Eligible:

Instead of ensuring that members of violent gangs such as MS 13 are deported after coming out of the shadows to apply for amnesty, the bill will allow violent gang members to get amnesty as long as they “renounce” their gang membership on their application. [See p. 289: 34-36].

Loophole 9 – Absconders Are Eligible:

Aliens who have already had their day in court – those subject to final orders of removal, voluntary departure orders, or reinstatement of their final orders of removal – are eligible for amnesty under the bill. The same is true for aliens who have made a false claim to citizenship or engaged in document fraud. More than 636,000 alien fugitives could be covered by this loophole. [See p. 285:19-22 which waives the following inadmissibility grounds: failure to attend a removal proceeding; final orders of removal for alien smuggling; aliens unlawfully present after previous immigration violations or deportation orders; and aliens previously removed. This appears to conflict with language on p. 283:40-41. When a direct conflict appears in a statute, the statue is interpreted by the courts to the benefit of the alien.].

Loophole 10 – Learning English Not Required For A Decade:

Illegal aliens are not required to demonstrate any proficiency in English for more than a decade after they are granted amnesty. Learning English is not required for an illegal alien to receive probationary benefits, the first 4-year Z visa, or the second 4-year Z visa. The first Z visa renewal (the second 4-year Z visa) requires only that the alien demonstrate an “attempt” to learn English by being “on a waiting list for English classes.” Passing a basic English test is required only for a second Z visa renewal (the third 4-year Z visa), and even then the alien only has to pass the test “prior to the expiration of the second extension of Z status” (12 years down the road). [See pp. 295-296].

Loophole 11 – Earned Income Tax Credit Will Cost Taxpayers Billions In Just 10 Years:

Current illegal aliens and new guest workers will be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit, a refundable tax credit designed to encourage American citizens and legal permanent residents to work. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that this loophole will cost the U.S. taxpayer up to $20 billion dollars in just the first 10 years after the bill’s enactment. To be consistent with the intent of the 1996 welfare reforms – which limited new immigrants from receiving public benefits until they had been legal permanent residents for five years – the bill should withhold EITC eligibility from amnestied aliens until they become legal permanent residents. Closing this loophole will save the taxpayers billions of dollars. [See p. 293 after S.A. 1190 was adopted, p. 307, p. 315, §606. All that is required for EITC eligibility is a social security number and resident alien status. Nothing in the bill’s tax provisions limit EITC eligibility. The issuance of social security numbers to aliens as soon as they apply for amnesty will ensure they are able to qualify for the EITC.]

Loophole 12 – Affidavits From Friends Accepted As Evidence:

Records from day-labor centers, labor unions, and “sworn declarations” from any non-relative (acquaintances, friends, coworkers, etc) are to be accepted as evidence that the illegal alien has satisfied the bill’s amnesty requirements. This low burden of proof will invite fraud and more illegal immigration – even aliens who are not yet in the U.S. will likely meet this burden of proof. DHS will not have the resources to examine whether the claims contained in the “sworn declarations” of the alien’s friends (that the alien was here prior to January 1, 2007 and is currently employed) are actually valid. [See p. 293: 13-16].

Loophole 13 – Taxpayer Funded Legal Counsel and Arbitration:

Free legal counsel and the fees and expenses of arbitrators will be provided to aliens that have been working illegally in agriculture. The U.S. taxpayer will fund the attorneys that help these individuals fill out their amnesty applications. Additionally, if these individuals have a dispute with their employer over whether they were fired for “just cause,” DHS will “pay the fee and expenses of the arbitrator.” [See p. 339:37-41, & p. 332: 37-38.]
 
You know I've been thinking about this and this question came up:

How do you deport 20 million people? If they have to be flown; how much would it cost? How many flights would it take? How do you roundup 20 million people? Would agriculture be affected? Would food prices go up? Etc. Etc.

I've changed my stance from, no to amnesty, to; I need to do more research.
 
Forget about those already here.
It's logistically immprobable that we can/should spend time/money rounding them up.
Give local LEOs and city gov't the power to incarcerate and hand over to ICE any illegals they come upon during their normal work day.
Build the fence and enforce the laws we have.
Once the jobs and handouts dry up, they'll go someplace more friendly.
I'm sure there will be areas hurt by the "new" law enforcement, but they'll bounce back eventually.
 
dasboot has the idea. quit making it so comfortable for illegals to come here and break our laws and ruin our economy. the laws are there. build the fence
 
Our National Security demands that we secure the borders first and foremost. Once that is achieved, we can debate on the problem of unlawful immigration and those who have broken this countries laws.

No on S. 1639.
 
make an immigration check system much like the NICS system. Make it easy for an employer to use a phone or computer to do it. The same to verify SSNs. Make it mandatory for employers to use. If they get caught with illegals after verifying or fail to verify then how about some felony charges, fines, penalties and jail time.
 
Social Security Check

Actually such a thing does already exist, you can enter a prospective employee online and instantly find out if the name he provided matches the person's SS #. Sorry, but I just don't remember the site.
 
Tibu,

Most of them have cars...around here, some of them even have Hummers. Consequently, they can drive themselves back across the Border...their car, they pay for the gas. The others can go out on foot, jammed into a car trunk or in a semi-trailer just as they came in.

It wouldn't cost much at all, but what it WILL cost is time and perseverence to get it done.

Unfortunately, mostly due to ignorance and apathy, neither of these are qualities most "Americans" have anymore.

-- John D.
 
Last year the IRS processed 9-1/2 million tax returns which featured duplicate SSN's used in the filing. What are implications of the figure?
--They got addresses
--They know employers names and locations
--Federales know the number of illegal aliens in the US is a sight more than the oft mentioned 11 million.
--The SS administration is making money off illegals.
--There is a lot of identity theft going on.
--A large number of people will be quite surprised when they retire (assuming) only to find out that someone here illegally will have a claim on their retirement allocation from SS. Think I kid? Not so. Recent version of the senate's amnesty bill would de-criminalize SS identity theft and give the source of the alternative incomre stream claim on the account.
 
Treason

I find what has been going on in our country is treasonous in nature.These elected officials who are attempting to pass&passing laws that are not Constitutional should be strung up, or whatever passes as punishment for treason. All elected officials are sworn into office-they take an oath to protect&preserve the tenents this country was founded upon. Many have broken this oath and our countries founders had a word for this act-Treason!
I say if just one or even one percent of these people are dealt with in what our founders would have considered a "reasonable" fashion, the rest will shape up!
 
1. Build the fence.

2. If the border patrol is attacked, the border patrol gets weapons free to open fire. Give them gun cameras if that's needed, but let them shoot at invaders.

3. If an illegal is arrested for ANY crime, but particularly a violent crime, they go over the fence, with a catapult if necessary. If they come back in again, they go to federal pen for 40-life, no parole, no extradition no matter how much Mexico whines.
 
1. Build the fence.

2. If the border patrol is attacked, the border patrol gets weapons free to open fire. Give them gun cameras if that's needed, but let them shoot at invaders.

3. If an illegal is arrested for ANY crime, but particularly a violent crime, they go over the fence, with a catapult if necessary. If they come back in again, they go to federal pen for 40-life, no parole, no extradition no matter how much Mexico whines.

DITTO!
 
Our National Security demands that we secure the borders first and foremost.

Ditto, but why is such a simple concept so hard to get across! We are simply asking not to bundle the security of the border of this country in with a controversial immigration bill. Border security is a stand alone issue. It is insulting to say that we can only have border security if we pass certain bills.

We decided that we have the right to secure our borders starting circa 1776. Article IV of the Constitution passed a long time ago. Now all we need to secure our borders is a President that will up-hold his oath of office the protect & defend the Constitution.
 
If your ship has a hole in it, you patch the hole first, then worry about the damage the water caused to the interior. Otherwise the ship sinks.
 
Ditto, but why is such a simple concept so hard to get across! We are simply asking not to bundle the security of the border of this country in with a controversial immigration bill. Border security is a stand alone issue. It is insulting to say that we can only have border security if we pass certain bills.

Because there are lobbies out there that want cheaper labor and dont care about security. Money is talkin in the halls of Congress.
 
Looks like the legislation has come back to life. Those in favor got their 60 votes, 64 actually. Cloture passed. So, more debate next week and a chance to pass it into law next week or kill it. I think the fix is in.

Given the oft repeated polling data that the rank and file are very opposed to amnesty me thinks there will a real house cleaning for both Ds and Rs next couple of elections based on their support of this mess.

Best
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sen.sessions on loopholes

This is so disgusting. The vast majority of the US public wants a real end to illegal immigration with no reward for those here illegally, but what do they get? Ignored, as usual, by congress. The person who posted this had it right:

...there are lobbies out there that want cheaper labor and dont care about security. Money is talkin in the halls of Congress.

So all the security at airports is just for show, while anyone can come and go over the border at will. What a government we have. And for all the griping we're doing on this forum, apathy seems to reign supreme with the general public. Bread and circuses (junk food and sports), like in old Rome, I guess, is keeping the masses in line.
 
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