I'm lookin for a world of trouble

chink

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I just got a new USP I'm thinking cool a new gun I'm gonna love this thing. Picked up it up Sunday and I was giving it a through looking over last night. When I noticed that he numbers don't match. The barrel and the slide match , but the frame is different. And the gun store took the numbers off the slide.
And then number on the frame is the number that important from what I gather. I called the gun store they told me to bring it in. What else can I do? Besides call the CA DOJ to make sure the gun isn't hot?


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It ain't mah fault. did I do dat?
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In my non-lawyerish opinion, don't call DOJ or ATF. They don't know the laws and are apt to interpret your situation as "Hey, I got a hot gun, come kick in my door and shoot me."

Let the store deal with it.
 
Agreed. DO NOT call any government office about it! Contact a lawyer to make sure everything is documented and your rights are protected by those who have no problems violating them.

Then have the lawyer call the store and get it sorted out.

If you call the Ca Doj or BATF you will not like ball that starts to roll..

Be safe.
 
Don't call the law. If it is hot it will be confiscated, even if it is not hot it may be confiscated just because they have a seed of doubt. Either way you will be out the bucks and have the confiscation on your record.

And you will probably be presumed guilty of something untill you can afford to prove otherwise.

Good advice in above posts.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Did they sell you that gun as new? If you know a lawyer, call him. I bet I could get you a new gun with matching serial numbers faster than you can say, "The owner of this store is a crook and a fraud." You don't need to call the ATF, all you should have to do is SAY ATF to this guy.

Good luck. Email me if you want me to call for you. Might be fun.

Regards,

Ledbetter, Esq.
 
The fault it solely mine it was a private party transfer which in california requires an FFL. I should have checked, but all the other number mathced. So I didn't. probably wou;dn't have notice but I was talking to a friend he wanted to know when it was made I gave him part of the serial number then I looked at the serial number on the slide and it was different.

The place is already in a little trouble with the ATF. A recent ATF audit found that 22% of their paperwork has some sort of error in it. You are only allowed to have 6% of your paper work with errors

This one is my bad. Though either way you look at it


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It ain't mah fault. did I do dat?
http://yellowman.virtualave.net/
 
Keep the gun, shoot and enjoy while it is still legal. Firearm owners are already considered as sub-standard citizens, so you really have nothing to lose.

AND THE SCOURGE KNOWN AS LIBERALISM OVERTOOK THE LAND-AND IT CAME TO PASS THAT LIBERALS WERE ALSO ENSLAVED BY THOSE THEY ENTRUSTED
 
Dear Chink,
In lawyers, just as in every thing else, there are NRA Pro-Gun Lawyers and Liberal Socialist Anti Gun Lawyers.

CALL THE NRA AND ASK THEM TO RECOMMEND A NRA PRO GUN LAWYER IN YOUR AREA.

A liberal,socialist,anti gun lawyer will land your butt in jail and then charge you money for ruining your life.

This is advise learned in the school of hard knocks, so heed it well.

A socialist lawyer is out to get you and your money both!
 
Holy complications, Batman!

I see that you live in California, where it is a crime to possess a weapon with obliterated or illegible serial numbers.

These are the relevant Penal Code sections:

12090. Any person who changes, alters, removes or obliterates the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's number, or other mark of identification, including any distinguishing number or mark assigned
by the Department of Justice on any pistol, revolver, or any other firearm, without first having secured written permission from the
department to make such change, alteration or removal shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison.

12091. Possession of any pistol or revolver upon which the name of the maker, model, manufacturer's number or other mark of
identification has been changed, altered, removed, or obliterated, shall be presumptive evidence that the possessor has changed, altered, removed, or obliterated the same.

12092. The Department of Justice upon request may assign a distinguishing number or mark of identification to any firearm
whenever it is without a manufacturer's number, or other mark of identification or whenever the manufacturer's number or other mark of identification or the distinguishing number or mark assigned by the department has been destroyed or obliterated.

12093. Any person may place or stamp on any pistol, revolver, or other firearm any number or identifying indicium, provided the number
or identifying indicium does not change, alter, remove, or obliterate the manufacturer's name, number, model, or other mark of identification. This section does not prohibit restoration by the owner of the name of the maker, model, or of the original manufacter's number or other mark of identification when such restoration is
authorized by the department, nor prevent any manufacturer from placing in the ordinary course of business the name of the maker,
model, manufacturer's number, or other mark of identification upon a new firearm.

12094. (a) Any person with knowledge of any change, alteration, removal, or obliteration described herein, who buys, receives, disposes of, sells, offers for sale, or has in his or her possession any pistol, revolver, or other firearm which has had the name of the maker, model, or the manufacturer's number or other mark of
identification including any distinguishing number or mark assigned by the Department of Justice changed, altered, removed, or
obliterated is guilty of a misdemeanor.

By the way, ernest2 is wrong about one thing: it's not just the socialist lawyers. ;)

In any event, it's not your bad. It sounds to me as if:

You were sold a weapon that is illegal to possess (in Kalifornia anyway) and could get you in a lot of trouble one day. You then discovered that you had been so victimized. Your gun was constructed out of "spare parts" from at least three different guns. At least under Kalifornia law, the serial number under which it was sold to you should have been "restored" completely and unambiguously, with prior DOJ approval, in all three locations before the sale. The seller has committed a crime by selling you the firearm in this condition. You are in danger now of being discovered with an illegal firearm in your possession.

Good luck.

[This message has been edited by Ledbetter (edited June 21, 2000).]
 
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