Illinois self defense advice-must read!

Darthmaum

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I was perusing the "official" State of Illinois website a while ago and lo and behold, I came across this little gem of an article that really got my blood boiling. I just can't (actually I can, given that it's IL) believe that anyone would recommend that a woman defend herself from an attacker with a nail file!!! (not to mention telling her to induce vomiting to fend off an attacker) PUHHLEEEEZE!

Well, here it is for your review...
(bolds are gleefully all mine, as are italics)


If You Are Confronted

Before you fight:

Fighting for your safety may be necessary. However, if you start out fighting you cancel any other options that might be open to you. Since many attacks on women are
not sexually motivated, and are designed to degrade and humiliate, talking your way out of it may be easier. ("Baa baa bad guy, have you any condoms?")

There is documentation of assailants that left a would-be-victim alone after she told him that she was pregnant and it would kill her baby. (Some case were women that were too old to even have a baby.)
Telling an attacker that you have VD or AIDS can discourage him.
It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results. (This method is not often used except as a last
resort.)
Use your imagination and you can think of others.

The above methods are particularly important if your assailant has a gun or knife, or there is more than one attacker. (Fighting would probably be futile.)

If you must fight:

Use of a firearm to protect yourself or property is not recommended.

Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.
Half of all the women that fire a gun trying to protect themselves shoot someone they do not want to, i.e. friend, neighbors, relatives, etc.


is it just me or are they insinuating that a woman is not capable of defending herself w/ a firearm?


Be aware of those times and places where there is a potential for attack and be prepared to defend yourself.
parking lots
walking at night
waiting for a bus
elevators
other you will learn to recognize

Articles common to your handbag that make useful defense weapons:

nail file
rat tail comb
teasing brush
pens and pencils
keys
anything rigid

Uh, oookkkay... Me, I have my trusty SIG in my "handbag" ie my HOLSTER!As DC has said, "I bite back!" and not with a friggin' "teasing brush" (what is that anyway?)

Concentrate on these areas only when combating an assailant.

groin
eyes
ears
nose
throat

You should not swing at an assailant. Roundhouse or overhand blows are easy to deflect or evade. Your movements should be made with all your strength, and should be
straight jabs. Remember that screaming may be just as important to your defense as any weapon.


I won't even go into how frigging tired I get of this crap! I know we all are sick and tired of the stupidity in this world.

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[This message has been edited by Darthmaum (edited June 04, 2000).]
 
Welcome to Illannoy! Where politicians can carry but the citizens can't. I am surprised there wasn't a line that says "Just don't move and pretend you are dead" :D Sometimes I think IL wants as many dead as possible so the population will decrease. Oh well they can stick with the sheep , I'll stick with the wolves :D

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Bad bad sheep! Wanting to defend yourself! How ridiculous! Next I suppose you'll be wanting to have the right to be fed and sheltered too. Your job, as defenseless sheep, is to eat, sleep, and die when we tell you to! Sheeeesh, let people use their minds and just look at what they come up with, expecting to be allowed to have the right of self-defense ...
 
"Remember that screaming may be just as important to your defense as any weapon."
Yeah, that's so the police know where the body is.

Got a URL for this "gem"?

Be a good one for the Ms board.
 
Hey Illinois, how about citing a verifiable source to back up this gratuitous assertion:
"Half of all the women that fire a gun trying to protect themselves shoot someone they do not want to, i.e. friend, neighbors, relatives, etc."

What a bunch of BS!
 
Half, huh? I doubt that's real accurate reporting - but, look at the bright side - the other half of everyone shot is a BG ... not great odds, I guess, but ...

AB

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This kind of thing used to be comedy. Steve Martin used to say he would intentionally wet his pants before going into a bad neighborhood so the muggers would think he was crazy. Who knew he was 25 years ahead of his time?
 
Am I the only person here who plans to avoid IL, NJ, HI, MA and a few municipalities, as well as Russia, Cuba and similar unpleasant places?
 
And carry a sign: "I vomit when provoked!"
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I work for the State of Illinois. My boss can carry concealed but I can't. I guess a former inmate is more likely to go after him than the piddly cell-house officer like me. Then again, I'm just a stupid officer. I am not responsible enough to carry a weapon off duty.
 
I live in IL and our local PD is doing a great job of putting on women's firearm and safety courses. They get to shoot real guns and everything! My wife took the course. The 2 LEO's running the courses are NRA cert and newspaper coverage has been positive. (No mention of tactical defense vomit.)
My point is... There is Chicago,Springfield, and E. St Louis, and then there are small isolated areas of civilization.
 
"Half of all the women that fire a gun trying to protect themselves shoot someone they do not want to, i.e. friend, neighbors, relatives, etc."

I found this 'statistic' to be rather fascinating as well. I've never seen this 'data' cited before ... anyone else?

I've sent an email to the webmaster asking for a source. Perhaps some of you could as well. Just step up to the 'isp' level, and they have some links for questions / comments.

Perhaps you Illinois residents could telephone as well. This really looks quite bogus to me.

Even if correct, it's a damn shame they wouldn't consider training as a better recourse. Vomiting and nail files ... pitiful. I wonder how many women they have killed with this advice?

If you really want some fun, ask how the Illinois state police advise their own wives regarding self defense. I'll bet vomiting isn't on the list ...

Regards from AZ
 
I think Miss D. is right. Probably one of those statistics that that includes suicides, was done in King County Oregon, and on a full moon.

In my life time I've only heard of it happening once and it wasn't even a woman. Some old guy thought the rail car riding serial killer (Ramereze sp?) was in his back yard and he shot him. Killed his neighbor.

Shok

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<sarcasm>

I especially like this part:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Use of a firearm to protect yourself or property is not recommended.
Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.[/quote]

Let me see if I have this straight; I should not own a firearm because a bad guy might steal it? I should give up my means (The most effective means known, just ask the US DOJ) of self-defense because someone else might steal it out of my house and give/sell/supply it to a criminal or use it in their own criminality? Quick, I better get rid of my car. Fully 100% of all cars are owned by someone other than a criminal when the car gets stolen!

Are the inmates running the asylum in IL? Do they realize that, if extended to other areas, then people should not risk owning any property, for theirs and their communities safety? Heck, if nobody owned anything, there wouldn't be anything to steal, right.

Not to mention the fact that their grammar just does not work. "Guns stolen" can not be a primary way of getting weapons to criminals. 'Stealing guns' could be, but then the blame would be cast upon the criminals doing the stealing, not the guns that are being stolen.

</sarcasm>

Why hasn't anybody thought of this before?

Oh, that's right, they have.

They called it socialism.

[This message has been edited by Dizzipator (edited June 05, 2000).]
 
No Oleg, you are not. I got into a spirited discussion with my wife about not wanting to spend my tourist dollars in Chicago. Why should I support a state or city that won't allow me to protect myself or my family with whatever tool I choose. I feel the same about other places as well.
I also get overruled on occasion, but that is what marriage is all about.
I like to say "she only thinks she won"

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The statistic that we're all foaming over is probably due to the fact that women are often attacked by husbands, ex-boyfriends, co-workers, neightbors, or other people that they "know."

Just because you know someone doesn't mean they aren't the enemy.
 
Dizzipator - I totally believe that firearms are an effective defense, and I can believe that many use them effectively.

Do you happen to have a web link for that DOJ information about guns and defence? It would be useful for me to show that to others.


thanks,
Battler.
 
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