Illinois gun owner under attack.

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Sorry folks but I had to share this here. If anyone knows more detail please let me know even by PM if need be.

I was at the range in McHenry Illinois today and after shooting I got to talking with the new owner, as at 1:30pm we were the only ones there. So I asked him how the new gun laws were going to effect him if passed and he said which ones? So I mentioned the one about video recording all sales and he replied that as far as he knew the Governor hadn't signed it yet. But he went on his computer and looked. I don't know which site he was on but then he replied "This isn't good."

It appears that the state of Illinois also has some other tricks up it's sleeve that the Chicago Democrats are trying to get passed.

One is a Limit of only 2 gun purchases per year. Another is an expansion of the Cook County Ammo Tax to extend to the whole state and be raised to $1.00 per round. Yes, $1.00 per round. Also with the elimination of all reloaded/hand loaded ammunition. All Ammunition will have to have a track-able bar code that show it was legally purchased and all taxes paid.

Heaven help you poor souls in Illinois. I an glad I moved out 35 years ago.
 
Yes, I don't know if it may be a subscribed site, trade site or what and at the time I didn't think to ask. All I can say is for me it is quite disturbing as the closest range to me here in Wisconsin is almost 1.25hrs. away and about all I shoot are reloads.

So if in fact this is true then I will not be shooting in Illinois any more. Then to think about this poor guy, he just purchased the business a little more than a year ago and he was telling me he just purchased a house about 5 miles away and is supposed to be starting to move in.
 
As long as they video record all of the corrupt politicians taking bribes, the South side gangs killing each other and on and on...........
This has gone beyond the realm of Socialism to outright Communism, and these folks need to be called that outright in the news
 
This has gone beyond the realm of Socialism to outright Communism, and these folks need to be called that outright in the news
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Actually, I don't think it goes beyond Socialism. It isn't communism until they start espousing and enforcing Marxist/Leninist policies. It's just draconian despotism under the guise of socialism, something that has been done other places and other times, to varying degrees.

The Nazis were socialists. National Socialists. Nazi is a contraction of the name National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) which was the official name of the party.

Calling them Communists will only get you ridicule for being incorrect, plus, you won't get the media to call these people what they really are, as the people who own the media (and thereby control what gets said and printed by their media) support them, on gun control, if not all of their policies
 
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Also with the elimination of all reloaded/hand loaded ammunition. All Ammunition will have to have a track-able bar code that show it was legally purchased and all taxes paid.
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That’s just nucking futs. And all this is supposed to reduce crime? ... make the bad guys think twice about a robbery since it may cost them a few more dollars if they fire a few rounds? Sad, just sad.
 
$1.00 a round tax is absurd. I'm doing a "double header" this weekend. Precision Pistol matches. I'll be firing 540 rounds total. So ammo would cost me $600+? This is beyond lunacy. I really do wish the voters of Illinois would wake up and quit voting for more free stuff from Uncle Sugar and start voting with freedom on their mind. With all that said, I seriously doubt this would pass into law anyhow.
 
Mike38 I can't say how exact that tax threat is but just remember that Cook County passed the 5 cents per round tax with no problem. So anything is possible in Illinois.
 
Before you start going on about new laws, it's best to confirm the details.
There have been many proposals, but most bills get shot down in committee.

Please provide a source or some sort of reference other than "I heard it at a gun store."
 
Please provide a source or some sort of reference other than "I heard it at a gun store."
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Right, if there was any reality to this, there would be plenty of public documentation. Nothing is trying "to get passed" through the legal process without public documentation. There may be those who wish this could come to pass, but they can wish in one and and spit in the other and see which fills up first.

Sounds like the gun store clerk was referencing some sort of conspiracy websites instead of anything from the State of Illinois or NRA-ILA. I can't find anything through any recognized news sources, State of Illinois, NRA, etc. that backs of any of the claims.
 
Well aside for being part owner in this business, https://www.conditionyellowacademy.com/

He has also just purchased this store/range,
https://www.hpshootingcenter.net/

So I do not know what he would gain by passing rumors or conspiracy theories. I have to admit that I could not find any reference either though he was reading it from a website. Especially something that could adversely effect his business such as this.

If you all want to pass this off as rumor or fear mongering you're free to your opinion. Sorry I said anything! But if you don't believe it could happen look here,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...ult-weapons-ban-discussion-tl-0419-story.html

https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2018/04/06/gun-ban-alert-deerfield-illinois/
 
So I do not know what he would gain by passing rumors or conspiracy theories.
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Revenue, and lots of it.

I haven't forgotten the .22 ammo scarcity of just a few years back. People paying $100 for a 500 round bulk pack of .22s. I didn't pay that, but plenty people did.
 
Revenue?

Seeing as he knows that I am not a resident of the state of Illinois please explain how this knowledge would change my spending habits other than if the bullet tax went into effect why I would continue to go to Illinois to shoot? That certainly isn't going to increase his revenue!
 
Yes, revenue. He is trying to drive up sales now by proclaiming that sales will be curtailed in the future - in other words, fear mongering. This is akin to all of the claims that Obama was going to stop gun sales if elected via various bans. What did that do? It drove of gun sales tremendously.

BUY NOW! BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!

That he is a business owner adds zero credibility to the claims being valid. That he is a business owner spreading rumors (notice the lack of actual documentation???) that would influence his sales for the better in the short term would detract from his credibility given the lack of documentation.

Plus, he can do this without risk. After all, if the claimed proposed legislation never materializes, it isn't his fault, is it? He was just trying to 'help' his customers to procure the guns and ammo now that might not be available in the future. He was doing them a favor, right? All the while he is pocketing profit from sales.

Until you can come up with some actual documentation that the Democrats are trying to pass such legislation, and that would be public record as Illinois does not have a secret legislature, there is no evidence that this is nothing but fear mongering by a party who would stand to reap financial gains.
 
Nice tirade but I will make 2 points.

1: Him and I were the only 2 people there, he was responding to the question I asked him about the laws currently on the governors desk so no one else was there to hear his so called agenda to enrich himself.

2: Again he knows that I am NOT A STATE RESIDENT so those laws if passed would have no effect on me what so ever other then I would quit using his range facilities. He loses money not gaining a thing.

No I cannot confirm what was talked about or provide sources because I did not ask for sources. But then I suppose the sources you provided are the ONLY legitimate sources available to anyone.

Believe or not doesn't make a difference to me. Not going to argue with you about it as it's pointless.

I will say this, I grew up and spent 30years in northern Illinois, I still have family in Illinois, I still live close enough that I still receive all the Chicago TV New channels and still see many of the local newspapers. I still listen to many Chicago radio stations.

So verified or not I will suggest that whether published now or not many NEW GUN LAWS are coming to Illinois. Why? They have the power and they have the votes! Just watch.
 
Dunno if this is what you're looking for. I saw them on the Ruger forum. Most likely coming to a stat near you, then yours. :mad:
Paul B.

http://www.guns.com/2018/06/08/bill...-all-gun-owners-to-be-licensed-sales-tracked/

Illinois Democrats on Capitol Hill are backing a plan that would outlaw unlicensed gun ownership in the nation.

The bicameral measure was introduced this week in the House by U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush as H.R. 6024 and in the Senate as S.3002 by U.S. Sen. Tammy Duckworth. It would make it a crime to own a gun without a federally issued license and direct the Attorney General to establish and a system to track gun sales.

“Americans are demanding that Congress take real action to prevent gun violence and we must address this issue head on and do our part to prevent the senseless mass killings and shooting deaths in cities across this nation,” said Rush in a statement.

Rush says the measure is based in part on the Illinois Firearm Owners Identification card program, which was established in 1968, predating the FBI’s NICS system to vet gun sales by two decades. To legally possess guns, ammo, or tasers, Illinois residents must have a FOID card, which costs $10 plus processing fees and is good for 10 years. It can take up to 30 days to obtain a card after a background check process and, if denied, can be appealed.

Also from New Jersey.

http://www.guns.com/2018/06/08/new-...-6-gun-control-bills-to-a-pleased-gov-murphy/

AB 1181 requires a healthcare professional to contact police if they think an individual they have contact with may be a threat to themselves or others. Authorities would then be obligated to check if the person has a firearms permit and evaluate obtaining an order to impound their guns from a local court. The measure passed with broad support even though the National Rifle Association cautioned that it would allow those such as marriage counselors and nurses to trigger a gun seizure without any accountability.

AB 1217 establishes an Extreme Risk Protection Order process, which does much the same thing as A1181 but allows family members and friends to petition the court for a one-year gun ban on those who they feel are at risk.

AB 2757 requires background checks on almost all guns transferred in the state with exemptions for firearms loaned among “immediate family” or licensed collectors. The move was panned by gun rights groups as duplicative because New Jersey already requires firearm cards for the private transfer of long guns.

AB 2758: Republicans came out in force to oppose this measure, which codifies a repeal by Murphy of Christie-era guidelines that made it slightly easier to get a firearms license in New Jersey. For Dems, their numbers carried the day and the measure passed 48-26 in the Assembly and 24-13 in the Senate along party lines.

AB 2759 swept the Assembly in a unanimous vote and aims to ban some types of ammunition on the pretext of keeping police safe. The move would adopt the federal definition of armor-piercing ammunition as state law and make possession a fourth-degree felony, a crime which carries 18 months in jail and a fine of as much as $10,000.

AB 2761 reduces the legal maximum capacity of detachable magazines in the state from 15 to 10 rounds. Those who currently own such mags would be able to keep them if they have a registered firearm and the magazine is permanantly blocked to comply with the law. Most Republicans opposed the measure, but in the end, it passed 45-20 in the Assembly and 23-10 in the Senate.
 
There was also this one, also on the Ruger forum.
Paul B.


http://www.guns.com/2018/05/31/illinois-lawmakers-approve-trio-of-gun-control-bills/

Illinois lawmakers approve trio of gun control bills
5/31/18 | by Chris Eger

The Illinois state House on Wednesday passed a 72-hour waiting period for all guns sales while the Senate sent an extreme risk protection order measure and gun dealer licensing act to Gov. Bruce Rauner.

The waiting period expansion, SB 3256, now returns to the Senate after a 72-44 vote House approval while HB 2354, which would establish a so-called “red flag law” to seize guns from those considered at risk, cleared the Senate 43-11 on its final hurdle to the Governor’s desk. However, it is the gun dealer certification program, SB 337, which drew proved the biggest lift for lawmakers — passing the Senate 35-20 — and could be headed to a repeat veto from Rauner.

“This bill took into consideration the governor’s concerns about red tape,” said sponsor of the measure, state Sen. Don Harmon, D-Oak Park. “Seeing the bipartisan support it received in both the House and the Senate, I look forward to the governor honoring his commitment to public safety and signing it into law.
 
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