Illinois Dems want to outlaw all semi-autos and fanny pack carry of UNLOADED guns.

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Don Gwinn

Staff Emeritus
Y'know, the real irony here is that the Cook County State's Attorney, Dick Devine, still insists that fanny pack carry of unloaded guns is clearly illegal. Not only is he unable to point to the law that says that, but now members of his own party are introducing laws to ban the practice he claims is already illegal. :rolleyes:

Mr. Devine, your goal for this week is to experience the human emotion known as "shame" for the first time. Meditate upon your hypocrisy and generally verminous personality. That is all.

SOURCE:
http://www.chicago.tribune.com/news/metro/chicago/article/0,2669,ART-49915,F
F.html
Senate Democrats seek to close gun loopholes

By Lisa B. Song
Tribune Staff Writer
February 14, 2001

One week after the shooting rampage at the Navistar diesel engine
plant in Melrose Park, Democrats in the Illinois Senate today said
they would introduce a new package of measures designed to close
loopholes in state gun laws.

The proposals include a ban on sales of many assault weapons and
stricter gun registration procedures.

"We want to stop the sale of guns and identify the guns," Senate
Minority Leader Emil Jones Jr. (D-Chicago) said at a news conference
at the James R. Thompson Center in the Loop. "Each and every point in
this package is important to curtailing gun crimes," he said.

The latest proposals include a ban on sales of 17 types of assault
weapons, semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns; limiting handgun
sales to one per month; and requiring gun vendors to provide
information about buyers to the Illinois State Police and the
secretary of state's office. Currently, sellers do not have to send
information about buyers to the two state agencies.

"It's hard to find a rationale as to why anyone would want an AK-47 or
need more than 12 handguns in a year, unless the intent was to
distribute," Sen. Barack Obama (D-Chicago) said at the news
conference.

The legislative package also includes new requirements for people
wanting firearm ownership identification, or FOID, cards. The bills
would require people to appear in person, with identification, when
applying for or renewing a card. They would also be required to be
fingerprinted. In addition, FOID card renewals would list all guns
owned by the cardholder.

The proposals come after the Feb. 5 shooting spree by William Baker, a
former Navistar worker who killed four employees and wounded four
others before taking his own life. Baker was armed with an assault
rifle, shotgun, revolver and hunting rifle.

Though he was convicted of felonies in 1998 and 2000, no attempt was
made to force Baker to relinquish ownership of his guns, authorities
said. Currently, felons are required to give up their firearms, but
not their FOID cards, which still could allow them to purchase
weapons, Jones said.

Jones said he also is sponsoring legislation that would explicitly
prohibit the carrying of an unloaded gun in a fanny pack. "Let's make
that crystal clear; we want to close the loophole on carrying guns in
fanny packs," he said. "Illinois is not a concealed (weapon) state."

Obama acknowledged that the proposed measures may not be supported by
some downstate Democrats, but he said the bills "still need a fair and
proper hearing" in Springfield. Last year, a package of gun-control
measures did not make it out of committee and died in the legislature.

The latest proposals are expected to be introduced in the Illinois
Senate next week.
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"Let's make that crystal clear; we want to close the loophole on carrying guns in fanny packs," he said. "Illinois is not a concealed (weapon) state."

Translate: If it were a CCW state, we might not have lost five people in the plant shooting, thereby justifying our newest power grab".
 
These People Don't Even Know What the Current Law Says

Don,
The Illinois State Police are already empowered to seize the FOID card of anyone who is no longer entitled to have one.

There was a case a few years ago that got all kinds of press, where the ISP took the FOID card of a man who had checked himself into a mental hospital for depression. This man was treated and released, then he discovered he could no longer hunt. The press was all over this, sounding a lot like us on this board. IIRC it took action by the governor to get him his FOID card back.

The fact that this convicted felon who shot up the Navistar plant still had a FOID card was a FAILURE of the system. Someone in court services didn't do their job. There is always a pre-sentence investigation done. If it had been done right they would have known he had a FOID and forced him to surrender his guns and FOID. This is easy to do. FOID cards are in LEADS (the state computer system) a simple check with name, race and DOB would have turned up the fact that he had a valid FOID card. Then it would have been a simple matter for the probation people to get his card and weapons.

Why would the Secretary of State need to be involved now? Their data isn't much better. Considering that the Secretary of States office sold CDLs to the highest bidder for the governor's campaign fund I hardly think that their record for integrity is better then the ISPs.

I've got a better idea. Let the socialists in Cook, Dupage and McHenry counties either become their own state or become part of Indiana, Wisconsin or Michigan, whoever will take them. Then everybody can be happy, they can have their socialist workers paradise on Lake Michigan and the rest of us can live as relatively free men.

Sorry for the rant, but this is just BS. Their own system failed to do it's job, pointing out the fallacy of those laws for everyone to see and they want to fix it with more of the same!!!

I think I'm going to talk to my rep, who happens to be the Asst. Majorority leader or whip (whatever they call it in Springfield) and see if he'll introduce a bill banning possesion of vehicles capable of exceeding 65 mile per hour. A $10,000 per year tax on grandfathered race cars and a 25 to life prison sentence for possesion of a post ban SAV (speedy assault vehicle). I've got the accident statistics to prove this will save countless lives.

Jeff
 
Jeff:"I've got a better idea. Let the socialists in Cook, Dupage and McHenry counties either become their own state or become part of Indiana, Wisconsin or Michigan, whoever will take them."

No way, pal. We've already got enough loonies up here in the Cheesehead state. They're yours to do with what you wish. You've got a lake there, too, right? Use it.

Dick
 
Indiana? Indiana? Why in the world would we want 'em? We're fairly rational over here...and we don't have idiots shooting things up. And we get a lot of good laughs from the Peoples Republik right next door. No, you keep 'em. You growed 'em, you figure out how to get rid of 'em, we don't want 'em.
 
First, you have a bunch of decent people trapped up here with the GD'ed useless socialist skum in the city.

Second, what you are seeing now with the rash of new bills is just finger pointing among the various LE factions here in IL trying to shift the blame onto somebody else. "It's not MY fault. It's HIS fault!" Just a bunch of GD'ed children! It's rediculous! I've seen kids with higher levels of maturity than some of the talking monkeys elected to the IL legislature.

It's my position that as long as the useless pandering simpletons don't want to do their job and police up the skum that they have every opportunity to prosecute, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape about following their silly fascist directives. They are in breach of contract, I have no allegiance to them. I mind my own business, and live and let live. As soon as I'm done with my education, I'm out of this miserable socialist Hell. Semper Fidelis...Ken M
 
Socialists. A single person in that plant with a CCW could have stopped the rampage.


So the Socialists move to make CCW a crime. I can't call them, fools. They know what they are doing. They do not care if peasants die or are rendered defensless before the criminal class they themselves created.
Our New Left is one the most callous and malicious groups to inflict man I have ever heard of.

I wonder if you "liberal" lurkers understand the goals of your leaders or if you really believe that they just want to save the children. In either case, you are an embarassment to the legacy of freedom and reason.
 
This is Happening in a Lot of Other States besides Illinois

Isn't the constitution (state and federal) supposed to protect us from the "tyranny of the majority"?

Illinois is a pretty large state in physical size and the mores of the political majority above I80 are fostered on the rest of us. It's not just in Illinois though. Most other states with large urban areas have to live under the rules set out by those who run the large urban areas. Unfortunately those who are running most large urban areas are socialists usually under the guise of being Democrats.

They gave us the FOID law way back in the 1960s. I challenge them to show me evidence of one crime that was prevented by the FOID law. Illinois was one of the first states to adopt the Instant Check and there was talk of doing away with the FOID cards because the Instant Check served the same purpose only better. But did they do away with FOIDs? No! Are they making money processing them? I doubt it! Given the wage scale for state employees, I doubt they even recover the cost. Now they are faced with the embarressment of seeing their vaunted system fail and what is their answer? Lets make it harder to legally buy a gun and lets register guns. I fail to see how that would have prevented the Navistar shooting.

We should counter this with a demand to be allowed to protect ourselves. CCW now!!! Our answer should be; You have proved that you can't protect us...Now you will allow us to protect oursselves.

As fo who'll take the Chicago metro area, no one from Michigan has spoken up yet so I guess thats the answer ;)..Chicago, Michigan...has a kinda nice ring to it... What do you say Don, Sandy all you other Illinois TFLs, sell it to Michigan for two dollars...I'll even give them a grant of two dollars to make the purchase.

Jeff
 
Yes, absolutely. I agree without reservation; Lake Michigan is the only answer. We may have to lay the Sears Tower in sideways.

Oh, wait, I think I see what you meant....
 
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