Illegal Aliens: Definition of the Problem
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steelheart
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Okay, I'll go first and stick my neck out -
The Problem: Foreign nationals entering the United States in a manner that does not comply with U.S. immigration laws (and U.S immigration laws do not need to be altered to be more liberal - illegal foreign national's behavior needs to be altered).
Let the flame-fest begin!!
The Problem: Foreign nationals entering the United States in a manner that does not comply with U.S. immigration laws (and U.S immigration laws do not need to be altered to be more liberal - illegal foreign national's behavior needs to be altered).
Let the flame-fest begin!!
steelheart,
You have just written the perfect "Problem Statement".
Any further posts will only elaborate on the results of your statements fact.
Well defined!
This thread should be closed and a new one started, with authority, to address the "Corrective Actions" that will solve the problem.
My solution is simple. Enforce the LAW.
dean
You have just written the perfect "Problem Statement".
Any further posts will only elaborate on the results of your statements fact.
Well defined!
This thread should be closed and a new one started, with authority, to address the "Corrective Actions" that will solve the problem.
My solution is simple. Enforce the LAW.
dean
Mexican illegals coming across the border = high profile "tip of the iceberg".
If only the problem was that simple - and if it were confined to those that break the law to enter. IMNSHO, the vast majority of illegals came in via legal channels, then just got "lost" in the vastness of the USA.
Tens (if not hundred's) of thousands come in vial legal channels, or what appear to be legal reasons on the surface - then stay and get "lost in the system".
- Students that overstay their visa.
- Fabricated jobs that allow an employer to tailor a job for a specific person then bring that person in because they can demonstrate to INS that they could not fill the position with a US citizen.
- Women brought in under the guise of some legitimate reason, then diverted into the sex industry.
- Marriages of convenience.
- Relatives that come in for a "visit"...then never leave.
- Relatives that come in for a "visit" ..then end up working in the family business,,starting their own business,,,and repeating the cycle.
- Legitimate workers brought in that overstay the terms of entry and just get lost in the system &/or relatives of those workers.
The S. West and California are the presnt focus of "illegal aliens". The problem is more far reaching than simply someone crossing the border to pick lettuce.
Focusing on building walls and fences in the Southwest will stem a (regional) trickle. {@ an enormously huge cost BTW}.
The problem is, the floodgates are open in many other areas.
If only the problem was that simple - and if it were confined to those that break the law to enter. IMNSHO, the vast majority of illegals came in via legal channels, then just got "lost" in the vastness of the USA.
Tens (if not hundred's) of thousands come in vial legal channels, or what appear to be legal reasons on the surface - then stay and get "lost in the system".
- Students that overstay their visa.
- Fabricated jobs that allow an employer to tailor a job for a specific person then bring that person in because they can demonstrate to INS that they could not fill the position with a US citizen.
- Women brought in under the guise of some legitimate reason, then diverted into the sex industry.
- Marriages of convenience.
- Relatives that come in for a "visit"...then never leave.
- Relatives that come in for a "visit" ..then end up working in the family business,,starting their own business,,,and repeating the cycle.
- Legitimate workers brought in that overstay the terms of entry and just get lost in the system &/or relatives of those workers.
The S. West and California are the presnt focus of "illegal aliens". The problem is more far reaching than simply someone crossing the border to pick lettuce.
Focusing on building walls and fences in the Southwest will stem a (regional) trickle. {@ an enormously huge cost BTW}.
The problem is, the floodgates are open in many other areas.
MeekAndMild
New member
Further problems exist that the illegal aliens contribute to:
1) An untaxed underground economy, with failure to contribute to social security, income taxes and medicare taxes,
2) welfare rolls by showing up for free medical treatment, schooling and public services,
3) poverty by undercutting wages of legitimate citizens,
4) foreign trade deficits by sending money home,
5) the Mexican kleptocracy by failing to stay home and fight for fair working conditions and fair chance to gain wealth.
1) An untaxed underground economy, with failure to contribute to social security, income taxes and medicare taxes,
2) welfare rolls by showing up for free medical treatment, schooling and public services,
3) poverty by undercutting wages of legitimate citizens,
4) foreign trade deficits by sending money home,
5) the Mexican kleptocracy by failing to stay home and fight for fair working conditions and fair chance to gain wealth.
The problem is not wether or not the person is legal to be here.
It is just the POOR people that is here causing a problem. I am sure the business man here who's visa expired dont matter to anyone, nor is the wealthy tourist who decided to stay.
It is the poor, that cause the problems,
It is just the POOR people that is here causing a problem. I am sure the business man here who's visa expired dont matter to anyone, nor is the wealthy tourist who decided to stay.
It is the poor, that cause the problems,