Ignition option
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You had to ask
WOW,
Hang on to your hat as you are bout to get rained on. ,,,,,,,,
If it wasn't for the Flintlock we all would be drinking tea and eating crumpets, whatever they are. .....
Now then, CVA did make an electronic/electrical ignition MML that was short lived. Then I see where someone makes a converted flintlock that gets it's spark from a wheel like a Bic lighter. The wheel comes down on the frizen the lighter flint makes the spark. ...
These kinds of contraptions belong on MML's .....
Be Safe !!!
WOW,
Hang on to your hat as you are bout to get rained on. ,,,,,,,,
Flintlock or any traditional SideLock, is far from ordinary. In fact, they are extra-ordinary with incredible history and yes, even romance. ....
If it wasn't for the Flintlock we all would be drinking tea and eating crumpets, whatever they are. .....
Now then, CVA did make an electronic/electrical ignition MML that was short lived. Then I see where someone makes a converted flintlock that gets it's spark from a wheel like a Bic lighter. The wheel comes down on the frizen the lighter flint makes the spark. ...
These kinds of contraptions belong on MML's .....
Be Safe !!!
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DD4lifeusmc
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with some work and fitting some flints can be converted to percussion that's modern
be aware some states do not allow electronic ignition BP for hunting.
Also some states require an FFL for shipping them
and UNCLE SAM has made inroads into them being illegal for felons.
so check your laws.
be aware some states do not allow electronic ignition BP for hunting.
Also some states require an FFL for shipping them
and UNCLE SAM has made inroads into them being illegal for felons.
so check your laws.
It's for a home project..
Here is a ordinary barrel, very fundamental: http://m.imgur.com/PZ9cCTb
And this is my idea: http://m.imgur.com/tDgJyIj
So instead of filling up the touch hole with a connecting charge between each loads, i though about have some kind of ignition which makes a flame everytime i pull the trigger. (Or something that could ignite BP, like sparks, doesn't have to be a flame)
I need something tiny enough to be brought down, down the touch hole, and which also most be able to withstand the pressure of the BP-explosion.
I though about e-matches, but i think the threads would burn up after just a few shots, and i'm not sure if it could ignite a paper cartridge either, or even BP.
Btw, this is how the barrel look IRL: http://m.imgur.com/PxO0UDr
My aim is just to make a simple muzzleloading pistol, but with more effort to make it work out great.
It would be like a modern muzzleloading pistol.
Basically it would look like this: http://m.imgur.com/ZpcrN2N
It's not exact, just a prototype, the trigger could, for example, be placed like a hammer instead, if that would work out better, and the speed loader has to be stored somewhere to. However. The magazine and speed loading mechanism isn't visible in the pic.
The main issue now is the ignition, so i appreciate solutions for it.
Here is a ordinary barrel, very fundamental: http://m.imgur.com/PZ9cCTb
And this is my idea: http://m.imgur.com/tDgJyIj
So instead of filling up the touch hole with a connecting charge between each loads, i though about have some kind of ignition which makes a flame everytime i pull the trigger. (Or something that could ignite BP, like sparks, doesn't have to be a flame)
I need something tiny enough to be brought down, down the touch hole, and which also most be able to withstand the pressure of the BP-explosion.
I though about e-matches, but i think the threads would burn up after just a few shots, and i'm not sure if it could ignite a paper cartridge either, or even BP.
Btw, this is how the barrel look IRL: http://m.imgur.com/PxO0UDr
My aim is just to make a simple muzzleloading pistol, but with more effort to make it work out great.
It would be like a modern muzzleloading pistol.
Basically it would look like this: http://m.imgur.com/ZpcrN2N
It's not exact, just a prototype, the trigger could, for example, be placed like a hammer instead, if that would work out better, and the speed loader has to be stored somewhere to. However. The magazine and speed loading mechanism isn't visible in the pic.
The main issue now is the ignition, so i appreciate solutions for it.
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Jim Watson
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Gun Digest showed a muzzleloader firing off a model airplane glow plug about 40 years ago. I don't know if it would ignite through a paper cartridge; maybe if nitrated paper or actual flash paper.
maillemaker
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Getting black powder to ignite from an electrical spark is actually harder than one would think. One thinks that since flintlocks ignite via spark, that a spark is a spark.
But in fact a flintlock actually chips off a small burning piece of metal that drops into the primer pan. That spark is hot.
Electrical sparks, on the other hand, only generate heat by resistance. And black powder, especially modern glazed black powder that is coated in graphite, is extremely electrically conductive. This means that the current flows over the surface of the grains of powder, not through it, and it does not heat the powder much.
Here is an article of a fellow who set out to build an electrically-ignited black powder arm:
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/electric_ignition/eignition.html
He has lots of interesting pictures that show the powder being "sparked".
The upshot of it is that to get it to work he had to use a tremendous amount more of voltage over a much longer duration of time than what you'd get off a doorknob to set it off.
During the era of the Civil War flintlock muskets were converted to percussion. There were many ways of going about it, but basically you had a cone-in-barrel conversion, where the original touch hole was plugged and the barrel was drilled and tapped for a nipple (cone). A new hammer was of course fitted to strike it.
There were also drum conversions where a cylindrical drum was threaded into the drilled-and-taped touch hole. This drum had a cone in it at the proper angle for a hammer to strike it. The Colt conversions of the 1816 are an example.
Then there were patent breech conversions, where the breech end of the barrel was cut off and a new breech, with the usual bolster/cone forged into it, was threaded onto the barrel.
Steve
But in fact a flintlock actually chips off a small burning piece of metal that drops into the primer pan. That spark is hot.
Electrical sparks, on the other hand, only generate heat by resistance. And black powder, especially modern glazed black powder that is coated in graphite, is extremely electrically conductive. This means that the current flows over the surface of the grains of powder, not through it, and it does not heat the powder much.
Here is an article of a fellow who set out to build an electrically-ignited black powder arm:
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/electric_ignition/eignition.html
He has lots of interesting pictures that show the powder being "sparked".
The upshot of it is that to get it to work he had to use a tremendous amount more of voltage over a much longer duration of time than what you'd get off a doorknob to set it off.
During the era of the Civil War flintlock muskets were converted to percussion. There were many ways of going about it, but basically you had a cone-in-barrel conversion, where the original touch hole was plugged and the barrel was drilled and tapped for a nipple (cone). A new hammer was of course fitted to strike it.
There were also drum conversions where a cylindrical drum was threaded into the drilled-and-taped touch hole. This drum had a cone in it at the proper angle for a hammer to strike it. The Colt conversions of the 1816 are an example.
Then there were patent breech conversions, where the breech end of the barrel was cut off and a new breech, with the usual bolster/cone forged into it, was threaded onto the barrel.
Steve
foolzrushn
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Hmm......kind of like reinventing the wheel...gun.