If you were on a Jury, would you convict someone charged with carrying W/O license?

Would you convict a man carrying illegally

  • yes

    Votes: 39 32.0%

  • no

    Votes: 83 68.0%
  • Total voters
    122
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Doug.38PR

Moderator
This thread a poll tying into the Jury Nullification thread currently going on.

Would you convict a man who apart from carrying illegally, was doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law and committing no offenses to anyone? Would you send a man away for 10 years for carrying illegally? Or would you nullify that law and set him free?

Would you convict him?
 
If it was mandatory that a guilty plea resulted in a ten year sentence and the guy had done nothing but carry illegally, I would probably vote "not guilty". That is the problem with mandatory sentences, there is no allowance to make the punishment fit the crime.

badbob
 
If I have to pay for a license, sit at the DMV for TWO WHOLE Saturdays, and sit through that stupid class...

... SO DO YOU!!!

Don't do it because it's "right." Do it because it's the law. If you don't like the law, try to get the law changed.
 
Would you convict a man who apart from carrying illegally, was doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law and committing no offenses to anyone?
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No way no how.

I can understand you guys wanting to be politically correct, and wanting to be lawful as much as possible, so jump through the hoops and pay the money and all, but you do understand that it's an illusion?

Wild, if the outlaw saturday night specials, will you give up your Seecamp?

Samurai, if they up the fees to 2000 per year and 80 hrs of annual class, will you still do it?

(ducks)
 
this thread is not about whether it's a good idea to carry illegally, it's about whether you would convict a man for having done so?

Let's keep arguments at the Jury Nullification thread and just state if you would or wouldn't here and maybe a summary of why you would or would not convict.
 
"the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." since such a law is an infringement..no way in hell I'd convict.
 
if he had no criminal record... HECK NO!! I will not blindly obey discounting my own high moral values..
 
Come to think of it..this poll has no meaning since those who had a moral objection to CCW laws would never sit on a jury.

And if you lie on voir dire.....:confused:

WildjustanasideAlaska
 
Gotcha' Doug.

Just one thing though. Does the guy have a criminal record? I assumed not in my post, but in fairness, hey if the guy had a record as long as my arm, and some for violent offenses, it would certainly sway my decision to convict because it could reasonably be concluded that the guy was out and up to no good (again).
 
absolutely a bad-guy belongs in jail. my dad would get really frustrated risking his life catching bad-guys only to see them free days later. criminal record tells all
 
Come to think of it..this poll has no meaning since those who had a moral objection to CCW laws would never sit on a jury.

And if you lie on voir dire.....
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I always wondered how we end up with nothing but idiots and liars on juries...:rolleyes:

They're the only ones "qualified" in the eyes of the law.
 
I always wondered how we end up with nothing but idiots and liars on juries..
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nice sentiment towards those of your fellow citizens that take their duty seriously:barf:

WildanotherblackmarkforgunownersAlaska
 
Can you add in the fact that there is justifiable reason for carrying, no disqualifying conditions, classes had been taken and lived in a shall carry state?
 
Part of me is surprised at this, and part of me isn't. As I stated in the other thread I would convict.

I am fully sympathetic to the hypothetical defendant, but again the law is the law and there are ways of getting it changed or challenging it. No one forces anyone to break the law, thats the simple fact.

What bothers me the most however is the integrity of those here that would not convict. Lying is the tactic of liberals and those who want to take away our weapons. They do it all the time for the simple reason that the ends justify the means.

When you are sitting on the panel during voir dire and the attorney looks you in the eye and asks you if you could be a fair and imparital juror and you say , "yes, absolutely", you have just lied. You are NO different than all of those people that you have donated your money and time to fight against.

Integrity is a full time profession. Congratulations to those that would sell theirs. I guess "high moral values" don't include honesty.
 
I would not convict, under the circumstances as they have been described. STAGE 2, that's a pretty harsh condemnation. What did I hear once about bringing a knife to a gunfight?

We all gotta draw our own lines between right and wrong. My perception is that by being totally honest, all the time (where this hypothetical trial is concerned), you have commited a tremendous wrong
1) to the poor guy or gal who can't afford the permit class
2) to the pro 2nd A. community as a whole
3) to a country that needs YOU to stand up to tyranny from within

As long as you brought up the issue of "honesty" and put it in such black-and-white terms, it would be dishonest to tell a BG who came into your house and overpowered you that your wife is at her mother's house, when you know damn well she's hiding in the basement. Where is your honesty then?
 
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