If You Like-or Dislike-DAO Pistols...

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VictorLouis

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Sorry, this is not applicable to the Glocks. I'm refering to those with standard style hammer/trigger designs.
Would you like them better if they were able to be cocked, like a revolver, for the occasional distance shot? IOW, it remains in DAO format while firing, unless you deliberately reach up and cock the hammer. Of course, this would necessitate manually lowering the hammer, with its attendant safety concerns, if you should choose not to shoot. ?????????????
And to quench the flames before they ignite, YES- we know they are an answer to a non-existent problem. :)
 
I think it is nice as a 'flat revolver' in small guns like the Seecamp that get carried in a pocket. No hammer to snag, it can't get cocked by accident, you don't have to worry about lowering it. I do not care for it in a normal size pistol at all. I like the light trigger of a cocked and locked auto over anything, I even prefer the lighter Glock or Steyr trigger to a DA trigger.

Referring to your comment on the missing feature on a DAO pistol, my question is how would the pistol know if you cocked cocked the hammer back with your thumb or the slide pushed the hammer back?
 
I dislike them. With the exception of small pocket pistols. All DAOs should have a decocker, IMO. But then there is the argument that all mechanical devises can and do fail.
 
Jeff: When you fire a revolver DA, the hammer swings back to a certain point before releasing. When you cock that same gun, the hammer comes to rest at a point much further back then when in DA. I'm sure it could be done, mechanically, I was just interested if it would make those pistols more appealing. A wheelgunner on another forum pointed this out to me. The fact that he could selectively cock his 6-shooter, as needed, for more precise work.
Erick: DAOs are 'self-decocking' by design. Or do you mean that a decocker should be added to them for those occasional manually cocked SA shots?
 
I like my CZ-100 how it is, but the idea of cocking the striker manually "does" seem like a good idea. Though I doubt anyone will make one.
Also, I like DAO autoloaders for their restrike ability, while still having the same trigger pull for all the shots, and no safety to worry about.
 
VictorL, I don't know that it would work, but it could be looked into. The thing that I have noticed on autos is that the hammer travels MUCH further back when actually shooting it which is why we see the hammer bite problems on many autos (SIG P210, Walther PPK, TPH, and others). To duplicate the hammer fall distance of a revolver would probably require a new design with a much higher bore axis to permit an 'over rotation' situation for the hammer to allow the manual cocking to work. Without raising the bore to elevate the position of the hammer, the hammer would intrude on the hand position when cocked.
 
VL, I own such a pistol. the Browning BDM can be selectivly set to function as a traditional double action or with the switch setting changed it will function as a double action only design. Even when in the DAO mode the hammer can be cocked for a single action shot.. should you decide not to make the SA shot, just hit the de-cocker! quite unique! Mark / FL
 
Erik... you said, "all DAO's should have decockers." DAO pistols have to cycle the hammer every time the trigger is pulled. The hammer on a DAO DOES decock after every shot. Thats the nature of a DAO. But maybe I just read your post wrong.

I really liked the trigger on Mr. Klug's Kel-Tec. It's a DAO that I would definately consider for the right price.

Ben

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Mark, put me in that line with Victor. As Johnny Carson said, 'I did not know that.' I am obviously not familiar with a BDM.
 
Just to set the record straight, Mr. Cooper said that about DA semiautos back when S&W brought out their version of the Walther hammer drop. I'n not sure anyone even made a DAO semiauto back then.

Coopers big objection (and I agree) was to the two trigger pulls that must be learned and the fact that the harder one was for the first (probably most important) shot.

Although I had read this opinion of Cooper's in print earlier, I heard it in person at Gunsight in 1977.

Dave T
PCSD Ret.
 
I hate them. YOu cannot fire a DAO gun as well as a DA sa or Safe action or single action in that order.
PAT

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VL, JeffOTMG,
The BDM has been the subject of several threads here on TFL. From what I've gathered from those posts is the BDM was manufactured for Browning by FN in Columbia SC. It was manufactured from 1991 to 1994..
It's an all steel pistol with a normal magazine capacity of 15 rounds.
For a double stack it's VERY slim through the gripframe and the slide is the same width as a Kahr K9. As mentioned in my previous post, the BDM has a switch that allows the user to select between a traditional DA/SA and DAO modes of oepration. Also the pistol is completely ambidextrous (sp?) with frame mounted safety/decocker . Also the mag release can be switched to the right side of the pistol for lefties. When you can find one the prices seem to be very reasonable (I paid $270 for mine w/ 2 10 round mags). There are two down sides to this pistol, first is the availability of standard capacity magazines (15 round) when you can find them they are priced in the $100 to $130 range, while the 10 round mags can still be purchased for around $15 - $20. Second the DA trigger pull leaves a bit to be desired, while relativly smooth, it's heavy, in the 12 to 14 lb range with a bit of stacking at the end of the pull. I purchased mine to start shooting IDPA in the SSP division Mark / FL
 
I disagree 355; With enough practice you can hand in their with (about ) the best of them
shooting a DAO. It is only when you get to the top of the shooting spectrum that the
s/a wins out ( when shot by talent )I had
a DAO 226 which I shot for years and it never missed a beat.
 
BoBo
It is also at the bottom of the shooter spectrium. Take a new shooter and give them a DAO sig and then give them a DA sa sig. WIth the DAO every shot will be in the dirt with the DA sa only the first shot will be in the dirt. Most casual revolver shooters shoot single action why because its easier to hit with it that way. It is simple 2 pound gun 5 pound trigger is a better combo than a 2 pound gun and a 10 pound trigger. Yes some people can shoot double action well. Heck I can but it takes more practise and its a handicap to good shooting.
PAT

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Sorry 355sigfan but I disagree. If a person will put all the rounds from a DAO into the dirt,than he'd probably do the same thing with a revolver and not cocking the hammer back manually for each shot. I've seen a great number of new shooters pickup the double action revolver fairly quickly. They should be able to do the same with a DAO auto.

If the shooter is poor enough a shot to put everyshot into the dirt with a DAO, I doubt a DA/SA would help a great deal.

Personally, I think the consistent pull of a DAO is much easier to learn and get familiar with. Just my opinion.
 
would I like a DAO that you could cock manually?

too confusing

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Just sold a 5944.

Good - slows ( and can steady ) you down making it harder to spray and pray, helping to make sure every shot has a better chance of making a solid hit. Good - simple, easy to use in middle of night half awake.

Bad - slows accurately aimed fire too, just when you may need it most.

I've small hands. Harder to handle DA/SA transition. Am told FBI decided they wanted 1st shot DA to reduce negligent discharges, but that after first shot you're in a gunfight and need that speed and accuracy of a SA. Even the FBI can't be wrrong ALL the time.

Decided if I want simple middle of the night handling, would use a revolver. Otherwise would go for SA auto.
 
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