If it saves just one....bird?

CindyH

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Debate rages in Los Angeles. People of PRK forced to make bird-saving decision that may infringe upon the personal freedom of millions of cats.....
http://www.dailynews.com/archives/today/new01.asp

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Take a kitty to lunch -- inside

By Erik Nelson, Staff Writer


"Sherekan" lounges in the grass outside his home in the Woodland Hills
(Charlotte Schmid-Maybach/Staff Photographer)
This Saturday, it's OK to let your cat out of the bag or even allow a cat to get your tongue. Just don't let Tiger out of the house if you want to observe "National Keep Your Cat Indoors Day."

"Cats are a threat to wild birds," said Gavin Shire of the American Bird Conservancy, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit group that created this day of kitty incarceration last year.


"They kill birds by the millions. We don't even know how many cats there are out there, let alone how many birds they kill."

Kitty keepers say: So what?

"It isn't necessarily that they like to eat birds; it's that cats require a high-protein diet. They are built to eat this kind of thing, just like cows eat grass," said Susie Page, corporate secretary of the Panorama City-based American Cat Association, a cat registry.

And loose cats have also benefited mankind since they were domesticated in ancient Egypt, Page pointed out. "Since man and animals began, cats have been used to control the rodent population."

However, Page, a former cat magazine columnist and author of the 1998 book, "The Complete Cat Owner's Manual," said she keeps her own cats indoors to protect them from such hazards as cars, pesticides and disease.

"If you have a pet, you cannot control the pestilence, the fleas, the worms, the ringworm, that they pick up outdoors," Page said.

Cat keeper Amanda Collins is one of 32.1 million families that have 64.2 million cats, and she believes they deserve to be free-range felines. At least that is what she practices with hers, an orange tabby called Shere Kahn, a black cat named Bagheera and a white cat named Blessing.

"I had them inside for a long time, and they're just not happy," said Collins as her 10-year-old son, Justin, played with Shere Kahn on the family's front lawn in Woodland Hills.

"If you're responsible with them, if they're healthy, not out making babies and not out spreading disease, there should be no reason why they shouldn't be out," Collins said.

Justin, however, said he knows a secret about Shere Kahn.

"That one eats doves," he said, pointing at the tabby.

Capt. Richard Felosky, district manager for the city's West Valley Animal Shelter, knows about mixing cats and birds in the same neighborhood.

"I've personally seen the results -- we get complaints all the time" about bird baths becoming bloodbaths and bird feeders becoming cat feeders, he said.

The other side of the equation is that some people retaliate for this behavior.

"They shoot (cats) with pellet guns, they trap them, they'll spray them, stone them and poison them," Felosky said, adding that killing cats is illegal.

In the political arena, bird advocates can be just as ruthless, insisted Nathan Winograd, director of community programs for the San Francisco Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

" 'Keep Your Cat Indoors Day' is nothing more than a vehicle for them to push their anti-cat rhetoric," Winograd said. He cited a 1994 study by the Worldwatch Institute that blamed the decline of bird species not on cats but rather on urban sprawl, overtrapping, drought and pesticides.

Besides, the cat vs. bird argument can be moot in some neighborhoods, such as the Santa Monica Mountains foothills area of Woodland Hills, where nature does a pretty good job of protecting birds from cats.

Barbara Heaton keeps her Dweezil and her son's Vanna inside -- safe from "coyote country," where cat skulls and bones turn up on the hillsides.

"You will not see an outdoor cat around here," she said. "If you do, soon you will see it on a 'missing' sign."
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"...you gotta ask yourself one question...do I feel *lucky*?"
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"You will not see an outdoor cat around here," she said. "If you do, soon you will see it on a 'missing' sign."[/quote]

Teah that's it, kill all the cats. :rolleyes:
 
um I'm house sitting a high capacity mouse eradicator named zoe.. she's sixteen pounds of longhaired calico death.. but she's a lot cuter than those darn annoying birds and mice around her house. i could get behind offering pet owners TICKETS when their animal shed on you though...

Sheesh you think i'd have to register zoe with the EPA and the state as a 'known menace" to indiginous rodents??

You get my cat when you try her claws out of my leg hahahahah
 
Are they talking about those evil pre-ban cats?

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now joing the GOA!
 
The question of cats could not hit me on a better day.

Last night, coming home from class, a tire on my car lost a chunk of tread
and began to go flat. I made it home okay. Good thing. That 15 mile
stretch of road is cellular phone no-man’s land.

In our back yard we have a luggage trailer we use for storage. (Found it when
I mowed the yard. Yep, I’m a redneck!)

In the near dark, (this morning) I slid off the top and picked up a box to get at a full-size spare tire we keep there. Underneath the box were three copperheads - the most poisonous pit vipers in the U.S.

Two snakes scooted away. The third struck at the box just below my hand. I
took a small step for mankind and a giant leap for a man (one 15-foot step to
the rear), ran in place for about ten seconds and performed the ritual
trousers check! (NO systems “go” - thank God!)

The reason we have snakes for the first time in 12 years is that we now have
no cats. Cats eat up or scare away snake food (okay, okay, snake “prey”).
Also cats are too curious and active from the viewpoint of (rather reclusive) snakes.

We got rid of the cats because feeding the cats outside attracted raccoons,
possums, and (Good Lord) some HUGE skunks! Also, I got *very* tired of
kitty footprints all over our cars.

No cats = more snakes.

I don’t like cats but the chance of a cat’s bite crippling or killing is much less
than the bite of a copperhead doing so. We will start feeding the
neighborhood cats again.
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It is now six hours after the snake incident. The luggage trailer is still open.
I figured it (ahem) could use an airing and a little sunlight.

- Vital signs - loud, clear and rapid.
- Britches check confirmed.

(I got "clean" away. ... ;) )

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited May 12, 2000).]
 
Dennis, the copperhead is the least piosonest snake in North America...

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now joing the GOA!
 
Count me as one more person against free range cats. Why does your cat have the right to come into MY yard and kill birds?
 
Gino, because they're cats, and that's what they do.

Personally, I keep my(?) cats indoors, not to avoid infringing on the rights of birds, but to keep them safe from the @$$holes who kill cats just because they don't like them.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dennis:
The reason we have snakes for the first time in 12 years is that we now have
no cats. Cats eat up or scare away snake food (okay, okay, snake “prey”).
Also cats are too curious and active from the viewpoint of (rather reclusive) snakes.
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Dennis,
Any redneck knows that free-range feral pigs are superior to cats on snake control and eradication. You do have to make some trade-offs though: cat is culinarily superior to hog and much easier to field dress. Cat is, after all, the "other" white meat.

-William
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>....just like cows eat grass.[/quote]

We must now SAVE THE GRASS!


I've developed a hatred for birds lately. They seem to enjoy leaving "deposits" on my car, and my car ONLY! :mad: It's not that I wash my car a lot, thus providing an irresitable target (I haven't washed my car in months). The stupid winged pests just like my car for some reason. (Is there something about red cars??). Let the cats kill the birds. Don't these "bird lovers" remember something called THE FOOD CHAIN?

[This message has been edited by jcoyoung (edited May 12, 2000).]
 
Coinneach:
I take your point about whether or not your cats are actually yours. We have to remember the difference in attitudes among pets. Dogs think of you as part of the family, cats think of you as staff.

This notion that MAN should be trying to control the natural behavior patterns of animals is ludicrous. Animals will do what animals have always done. Those things that are part of a species specific collective memory of skills required for self preservation. Animals are, in fact, much better at maintaining that instinct than is Man (obviously).

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If you're not a little upset with the way the world is going, you're not paying attention.
 
CMOS,
Could be, could be. The local hospital says copperheads are the worst - that's my only source. Thank goodness I have no personal experience.

Poisonous snake on my turf = KILL!
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All,
This afternoon I cleaned out the little trailer VERY carefully. Found, shot, beat and beheaded a small copperhead (21"). The 3 bigger ones must have shipped out.

I now have all kinds of crap (from the trailer) all over the back yard. And (sigh) as anyone could predict, a thunderstorm just hit.

It's raining cats and dogs out there! I know it's true because I just stepped in a poodle!! (Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!)
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Oh, Bill!

Of course you're right about the feral pigs! But the Property Owners' Association trapped them all and shipped them to Arkansas.

Darned if one of them didn't become President! (I hear her husband's in politics too!) :D :D

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited May 12, 2000).]
 
Dennis....
To quote Darth Vader- "Don't make me destroy you..." :D

[This message has been edited by Jedi Oomodo (edited May 13, 2000).]
 
I hate feral cats. To me if it's your pet keep it indoors. Just like people that let their dogs roam free and crap all over the place, free roaming cats are nothing more than someone imposing their will on someone else. Why should I put up with someone's flea bag in my yard killing birds, lizards and other wild life? How would cat owners feel if I took my pet into their yard and allowed it to defecate all over the place and urinate in their garden? Domestic cats aren't part of wild life. They're an introduced species that does nothing more than destroy.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
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