I wonder? M15 CCW mods

Sir William

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OK. I know that S&W purists will run screaming into the night over this. I am considering using a M15-4 for my CCW. I believe I want wood/rubber Pachmayr grips, Millets RWO rear sight and the front sight painted neon green. I may install a angled thumbpiece too. The revolver has a reliable action. I would use a IWB holster. What do you revolver gurus think?
 
That'd be the perfect gun for it; in cherry condition mechanically, with just enough finish wear to keep you from feeling guilty.

Have you seen Gunsnrovers' Model 15 snubby in this thread?
 
Sir William,

A friend has a 2" S&W Model 15 to which he applied a little dremel tool work to "dimple" the front sight and apply the neon-green sight paint from Brownell's. Worked just fine. Couple that with the Pachmayr Compac grips and it's a nice carry piece with minimal modifications.

Action on his gun feels like it's lubricated with a 1/4 lb of butter too. :cool:
 
I just need to make my dad a holster, and he'll be carrying his Model 15-3 Combat Masterpiece with him. I think the big thing was ditching the wood grips for hard rubber ones(not even sure the brand, just grabbed them out of a pile of grips for S&W revolvers at a show..). Getting slivers from grips that have been dinged/shattered isn't very fun). That, and I replaced the screw in the grips for him.. the one in there kept getting green, not from body sweat, just sitting in the desk holster for months between cleanings.
 
make it fit

I got a model 12 round butt 2 inch a while back..my buddies were all aflutter, original grips...screws in sideplate all solid and unmarked (never off)...and what did I do?...took those screws out...thumped the sideplate off...pulled the round slide and spring...and went to tuning that puppy...turning the rebound spring, tuning the mainspring tension screw, and a bit of stoning here and there to deal with the drags and burrs and guess what?..the screws still look good to me...and my little model 12 is slick as butter in my hand....I feel confident with it to do what I bought it to do!...and whoever owns it after me...can lament the loss (?) or appreciate the gun that is fit and ready to do what a handgun is built to do.
 
Willie,
The only downside that keeps me from going back to a revolver is the spare ammo issue.
I have good speedloader pouches, but they still don't lie as flat on my belt as magazines do.
So, what's holding you back?
Denis

(I personally can't use an IWB holster, especially with a wider revolver, but if it works for you...)
 
Denis, I have seen your pictures. You could hide a 8 3/8ths M27 underneath your beard! LOL I am looking into sending a few firearms in for modifications. I will need a CCW while they are off in the shops. My thought is if I am going to CCW a revolver, I might as well have the best.
 
Well, I......have it shorter at the moment. :p
It fluctuates during the year. :D
I vacillate on the carry gun issue. Was quite happy with my 3-inch Ruger GP100 (tuned & ported) except for the speedloaders, till 9-11. Switched to a customized Glock .357 a week after 9-11. Last couple years it's been a lightly customized stainless Colt 1911.
Like the Glock & the caliber, but I can reload the ACPs easier for practice.
The Glock was very sweat resistant in the summer, the grips on the Colt aren't & even a couple stainless parts are showing discoloration. Unfortunately, in the warm months a blued 1911 is out of the question for me.
The Ruger sits just right, with only the grip contacting my body, and changing out the wood insert on the otherwise rubber grip is cheap & easy if it needs to be done. Good caliber, good gun, light for carry, porting reduces muzzle jump, fits my hand perfectly. But, them speedloaders just sticks out!
In a .38, I'd carry either my Model 10 4-inch skinny barrel with round gripframe, or my old PD Model 64, with the 158-grain +P LSWCs, and not feel too naked.
I've got thousands of .38 & .357 brass down in the bullet mine, I can reload for practice in those calibers for years.
Toying with the idea of carrying my 625 in .45 ACP, just to see how it'd work. But, then I'd be back to the same old problem, just altered slightly with moonies.
Also toying with the idea of finding out just how awkward my Hi-Power with tangent sights would be to carry daily when it gets back. :eek: I'll probably come to my senses in time on that one, though. :o
Denis
 
I am sending my Colt Police Positive Special, my M19 357, my BHP, my 1911 and maybe my Colt Trooper MKIII all off to different places for varied work, mostly sights. I will be left with antiques, breaktops, H&Rs and WWI and WWII mil-surps. The only choice left is my 2" M10 and the 4" M15. Primary and BUG. I dress for CCW and have plenty of pockets for speedloaders. I have used split 6 carriers for years that clip over the belt. I intend to use NY reloading anyway. I could look into packing a 455 Webley. LOL
 
Sir William & Dpris,

I'm reading your posts with amusement, especially the commentary about speedloaders being less than concealable. This is certainly true in the summer when clothing gets lighter. While I probably don't have the civilian CCW time either of you has, I do have some suggestions to try out.

In warmer weather most CCWs wear a shirt out or wear an untucked square cut shirt unbuttoned over a light t-shirt. This will conceal a simple 6-round beltloop ammo carrier. Learning to load from beltloops is a dying skill, but worth the effort. Another is the Bianchi speed strips carried in a pocket. If your pants have side pockets (unlike Levi's top-open pocket that tends to be tight) these can be only marginally slower than speedloaders with some practice.

Ever consider the "Thunderwear" products? While they look like a jock-strap, there are two pockets sewn in for Right/Left handers. Why should one of them not hold a speedloader? If your mode of carry is on the belt, the thunderwear can hold 2 speedloaders.

I've used an old belt-mounted Minolta camera case to carry three spare 1911 magazines in plain sight, there's no reason a similar item couldn't be used for speedloaders.

Half-moon clips are less of a problem. I've seen a belt carrier that will hold a pair (1 full reload) side by side to minimize the bulk.


In regards to Sir William's M15 carry gun... If I were going to go "whole hog", I'd want a smooth trigger, bright dot front sight, WO rear sight, a good action job, edges of the hammer rounded, sights dehorned and wood grips with rubber inserts that covered the backstrap.
 
Actually, wear some shorts that are Safari refugees. Pockets, pockets and pockets with pockets! They even have a genuine watch pocket. I do use pocket watches. I usually carry extra ammunition in plain sight. Magazines are usually in a Case knife belt sheath or hard eyeglass case in pocket. I do often wear a COWS belt slide with 18 loops for 38/357. I have carried split 6 on my belt for many years. I find that people are used to tourists and people with utility belts. Dickies leather utility belts are a fashion statement locally. I blend right in. Well, almost. I wear Birkenstocks. LOL
 
In some respects, I'm wide open in the clothes I wear (I meant in terms of type & style :rolleyes: ), and in other respects I'm sorta bound by personal limitations.
Not being part of the legitimate work force anymore, I can wear whatever I want that doesn't get me arrested. But & however, I have an aversion to letting my bare knees hang out in public, I dislike baggy cargo pants, and the only pants I actually am comfortable in outside the house is blue Levi's. That goes back to a childhood where we didn't have a lot of money for clothes, I had one good pair of "dress up pants" that I absolutely hated because I couldn't ever do anything in them & had to be very careful to keep them un-stained and un-torn for Sundays and visiting. The Levi's I could get dirty, play in, and just "live" in. It's a personal limitation that's an inescapable leftover from childhood. I gave away my last suit years ago, have two pair of slacks that are for funerals & weddings, and I hate wearing them both. Got one tie that goes for both functions.
Levi's being relatively tight, especially with my build, I can't wear an IWB holster, it's uncomfortable & I would never be able to re-holster without undoing the belt. Thunderwear is outa the question, would never be able to access it inside the pants for the same reason. Not much more room in the pockets, already got a key ring in each front pocket, Swiss Army knife in one, change in the other. Speedloaders would bulk them up too much, plus there's the blue lint to get in the way.
I've found over the years that carrying spare rounds in just about any kind of
pouch or loops for very long cruds them up. Verdigris on either the cases or the crud on the bullets themselves. I still occasionally use a 30-year-old six-round Safariland snap pouch when I carry a lightweight S&W snub for short periods, but have to change the rounds in it fairly often because they get gunky & may not load in a hurry if I need them to.
As for loading one or two at a time from bullet loops, I still have too vivid a memory of the bright & sunny day in 1976 when I went to my first FBI-conducted range training session as a young & starving cop with my first PD. I had six spare loops on the top of my handcuff case, and one double dump box. I kept up with everybody on the shooting part, but was woefully behind on the reloading part. Everybody else had speedloaders & I didn't. During the lunch break I went home, found an unexpected check in the mail, skipped lunch, cashed the check, bought a set of speedloaders & pouches, went back to the range, and started, by gum & by golly, to keep up with the program. I'd prefer not to try to fumble with rounds from loops, unless I really have to, or I'm carrying a single-action.
I'm also too uncoordinated with the Bianchi strips, and again- I don't like to carry ammo in pockets.
Halfmoon clips may ride flatter, but they're slower to load with than full moonies, and I'd rather give up the flatter carry for the quicker loading.
I've got pouches that carry full moons halfway decently & they're not bad, just kinda pokey-outie. My typical summer outfit is a long untucked shirt over the Levi's, the flat mags on the hip are slightly less protuberant than the moonies up front. In cooler weather I wear various vests, and it's maybe a little less of a problem.
Carried spare ammo in a leather belt knife case once. Was working plainclothes at a local bar one night, things were going fine till one of the bouncers caught sight of it (wore it to "blend in"), and told me I'd have to lose the knife or get the blank out. Explaining that it wasn't really a knife, just spare ammo for the gun....... Never went back to that method of carry again.
But, these are all just my idiotsyncracies & certainly not meant to put anybody else's carry methods down. Everybody has to find what works best for themselves.
Denis
 
I gave up Levis. Like so many other products, they aren't what they used to be. I tried pocket carry with a S&W J frame but, the pockets ripped out. I tried Dockers and had the same problem. I found some pockets are more equal than others. I really began using IWB carry with my old M36 3". It was comfortable. Much more comfortable than ankle carry. BTW, Denis, have you tried s t r e t c h jeans? As an aside, I wear shorts to be comfortable. The secret to not having green and gunky bullets is simple. Federal nickel cases and Flitz. You just don't Flitz the primer. One old reservist showed up once with 6 38 Specials wrapped in aluminium foil in his ammunition pouch.
 
I carry nickel cases in that little snap pouch, they still get gunky. What did Barney Fife use to polish his bullet?
Back at one Air Force base overseas, they'd issue us 18 .38 rounds; six loose that went into the gun, and 12 in elastic cloth stretch strips (six each) for the dump boxes. Reloading would have taken a week, but it was for the armorer's convenience in handing them out & getting them back at the end of the shift, not for actual use.
Denis
 
Dpris said:
... the only pants I actually am comfortable in outside the house is blue Levi's. That goes back to a childhood where we didn't have a lot of money for clothes, I had one good pair of "dress up pants" that I absolutely hated because I couldn't ever do anything in them & had to be very careful to keep them un-stained and un-torn for Sundays and visiting. The Levi's I could get dirty, play in, and just "live" in. It's a personal limitation that's an inescapable leftover from childhood.

I resemble that remark!
I'm almost always in Levis too, though that will soon change if I can find suitable summer slacks sized in "short & round". :D I also dislike the "baggy" look so many kids wear today too - looks too sloppy and unkempt.

When carrying rounds in a belt loop carrier, my routine is to change them out every month so they don't build up gunk. However, as you pointed out, loading from belt loops is an action that requires some dexterity and fine motor skills which go to Hades in a handbasket when SHTF. Besides that, as a computer jockey, my hands are starting to get stiff from typing and using a mouse all day too (where's that hand exerciser??). A friend wears a lightweight denim vest that has a inside "pager" pockets into which he puts a speedloader nicely. Turning denim pockets inside out while washing greatly reduces the "blue fuzz" problem too.

Like you, I find most IWB holsters uncomfortable after an hour or so. I'm much happier with an OWB or shoulder holster if I can manage it. By the way, I'm test-wearing a thunderware while sitting at the computer. It's not a fast-draw, of course, but I can manage to deploy the model 42 from sitting as well as standing without much trouble.

In the end, we all go with what makes us the most comfortable. I always figure to have at least one reload available for, if nothing else, to cover my retreat. :D
 
'Nuther thing I'd be worried about with Thunderwear is grabbing the wrong thing in the excitement of the moment if & when......... :eek:
Denis
 
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