I have been shooting my SCCY CPX-2 now 850 flawless rounds and really enjoying it! Now that I have the long trigger pull down, I for some reason got my USP 40 out and kept JURKING the trigger.. I was all over the place with it.. Has amyone else had this problem switching back and forth between guns??
I thinks my DAO has done me in!
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Limnophile
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One of the criticisms of the DA/SA platform is different trigger pulls give different results. This is countered with the xlaim that practice can reduce the difference in results, but I don't think you can ever make the differences disappear. I think the best thing is to choose one platform and stick with it.
sticking with it!
I think I'll have to agree with you on that. My only problem is that IMO there is a CC gun and a range gun. My CC gun is a SCCY CPX-2 that I have fallen in love with. My other is a H&K USP 40 that use to be a dream to shoot, I have been practicing a lot with my SCCY but a 3 inch barrel doesnt give you a lot of range out past 10 yrd's where the H&K is good out to 25yrds. I guess I could find a single action CC but then you have a safty and I dont like them for CC. I guess I'll just have to shoot both more often?
I think I'll have to agree with you on that. My only problem is that IMO there is a CC gun and a range gun. My CC gun is a SCCY CPX-2 that I have fallen in love with. My other is a H&K USP 40 that use to be a dream to shoot, I have been practicing a lot with my SCCY but a 3 inch barrel doesnt give you a lot of range out past 10 yrd's where the H&K is good out to 25yrds. I guess I could find a single action CC but then you have a safty and I dont like them for CC. I guess I'll just have to shoot both more often?
When we shoot at the house I use a revolver and shoot DA so as I'm going to the next target I have the trigger half way back so soon as I get there the trigger is pulled. When I try my semi-autos I make the shot too soon on the second target cause I'm getting on the trigger to soon. Take's a few mags to get out of the bad habit.
g.willikers
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One way to get used to different guns is to always take them to the range at the same time.
Switching back and forth every few rounds will eventually overcome the differences.
Switching back and forth every few rounds will eventually overcome the differences.
Independent George
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In my admittedly limited experience, most people have trouble with DA/SA not because of the transition, but because they never practice DA in the first place. Then they get to a tactical class or competition, miss wildly on their first DA shot in front of everybody, then blame the gun.
DA is a LOT harder than SA and requires a significantly more practice to master... but once you do, your SA shooting basically becomes 'easy' mode. I'm at the point where I spend 75% of my range time in DA, and use SA to relax between sets. Shooting DA forces me to really focus on fundamentals - I can slack off in SA and still hit the 10 ring inside of 15 yards, but DA forces me to concentrate. And once you get into those good habits, it carries over into all of your shooting.
Nope you can pretty much make it dissappear with enough practice.
It took a few thousand rounds but there's no difference between my draw to double tap with a D/A revolver, DA/SA semi or a SAO Semi.
OP stop Jurking (whatever that is) the trigger on the Skyy and you might find it'll shoot just fine at 25 yards too
A quite large majority of shooters won't go thru thousands of rounds during their ownership of the gun - they shoot once or twice a year and that's it. Budget, life, other priorities with money.
If you choose to carry or shoot completely different triggers then there IS a problem, and if you won't shoot thousands of rounds to overcome it, it REMAINS a problem.
There's a lot of discussion about it, and the use of pocket guns which largely have long heavy DAO triggers only makes it worse. You pocket carry something like a M&P Bodyguard .380 with a twelve pound trigger one day, then switch to a belt carry compact SA with 5 pound trigger the next. Nope, getting used to the difference isn't the problem, it's using two completely different triggers which are about as opposite as you can get.
Clip knife carry users understand it, a tip down liner lock vs a tip up Axis or lockback the next. They are not the same at all - yet on the knife forums the guys who claim to practice pulling it out a hundred times to get the feel of it are given wide berth. Yet it's exactly what you would have to do to equal "shooting thousands of rounds."
Humans don't "instinctively" know how to do anything, we have to learn thru repetition. If you get something down pat where it's not a matter of thinking how to do it, and then switch up - you can create failure when you don't need it.
Kudos to those who train and shoot with both, for the most part the average CCW shooter needs to stick to one style and get good with it, not confuse the situation and create a failure point when it is a critical need.
So far most pocket guns don't go along with the program, so to speak, as they don't offer a SA 5 pound trigger with thumb safety. The SIG P238 is about the only one in the last ten years to make it to market, much less sell well. Most of the others didn't survive past their SHOT show announcement.
If you plan to carry a 1911 style action and also want to carry pocket gun, plan on shooting a lot to get used to having the opposites in your gun rotation. It's a bigger change to overcome than swiping an nonexistent thumb safety on a Glock.
If you choose to carry or shoot completely different triggers then there IS a problem, and if you won't shoot thousands of rounds to overcome it, it REMAINS a problem.
There's a lot of discussion about it, and the use of pocket guns which largely have long heavy DAO triggers only makes it worse. You pocket carry something like a M&P Bodyguard .380 with a twelve pound trigger one day, then switch to a belt carry compact SA with 5 pound trigger the next. Nope, getting used to the difference isn't the problem, it's using two completely different triggers which are about as opposite as you can get.
Clip knife carry users understand it, a tip down liner lock vs a tip up Axis or lockback the next. They are not the same at all - yet on the knife forums the guys who claim to practice pulling it out a hundred times to get the feel of it are given wide berth. Yet it's exactly what you would have to do to equal "shooting thousands of rounds."
Humans don't "instinctively" know how to do anything, we have to learn thru repetition. If you get something down pat where it's not a matter of thinking how to do it, and then switch up - you can create failure when you don't need it.
Kudos to those who train and shoot with both, for the most part the average CCW shooter needs to stick to one style and get good with it, not confuse the situation and create a failure point when it is a critical need.
So far most pocket guns don't go along with the program, so to speak, as they don't offer a SA 5 pound trigger with thumb safety. The SIG P238 is about the only one in the last ten years to make it to market, much less sell well. Most of the others didn't survive past their SHOT show announcement.
If you plan to carry a 1911 style action and also want to carry pocket gun, plan on shooting a lot to get used to having the opposites in your gun rotation. It's a bigger change to overcome than swiping an nonexistent thumb safety on a Glock.
FWIW, I have long argued that for a carry or HD gun you should stick to one gun or one gun type. Some folks say they have no problem carrying a revolver on Monday, a Glock on Tuesday, a 1911 on Wednesday, a Luger on Thursday. etc., and are equally proficient with all of then. But they seem to be more interested in having a variety of handguns than in being proficient in any.
I say that under stress there is no automatic "memory" that will kick in and keep you from dying as you pull the trigger of a cocked-and-locked 1911, thinking it is a Glock. Of course I own and shoot different guns. But when I carried regularly, it was one of two guns of the same type - a Model 19 and a Model 36, both S&W "point and pull" revolvers.
Jim
I say that under stress there is no automatic "memory" that will kick in and keep you from dying as you pull the trigger of a cocked-and-locked 1911, thinking it is a Glock. Of course I own and shoot different guns. But when I carried regularly, it was one of two guns of the same type - a Model 19 and a Model 36, both S&W "point and pull" revolvers.
Jim
Why is it you have to make the person in your scenario an idiot. If you're going to actually train for multiple guns then you train to swipe the nonexistant safety on your Glock, XD, Sig or DA Revolver if you're also going to carry a 1911, Ruger SR9, FN FNS or CZ with a thumb safety.
I agree if somebody isn't willing to train for multiples then they should stick to one MOA, but don't kid yourself it can be done.