I think I might be getting too comfortable with CC
- Thread starter Chaz88
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Even after I realized I needed to take it off, for a second, I had to think about just why I was leaving it behind.It's legal here, in fact.... they cannot restrict carry on any 'grounds' , only buildings... and only if all entrances / exits of the building is posted per the AG requirements.
Only 1 school out of about 15 here, is posted.
If the State licenses the person and performs a background in the licensing of the person, and if the State "allows" it , then they are exempted from the Fedl Law in carry a gun at schools.
And as expected, there have been ZERO problems or incidences related to it.
What's ironic is, every single city building is posted.
Only 1 school out of about 15 here, is posted.
If the State licenses the person and performs a background in the licensing of the person, and if the State "allows" it , then they are exempted from the Fedl Law in carry a gun at schools.
And as expected, there have been ZERO problems or incidences related to it.
What's ironic is, every single city building is posted.
Don't even go there.... believe me , we know the LAWS here quite well.
Kansas.. Check out SB306 as well on numerous changes in the statutes, if you are really interested.
And .... try actually reading the Federal law....
http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18/18USC00922.html
(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to
possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects
interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual
knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a
firearm -
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do
so by the State in which the school zone is located or a
political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or
political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains
such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or
political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified
under law to receive the license;
Kansas references (AG site): http://www.ksag.org/files/2010_Summary_SB306_-_Website2.pdf
A major change with SB 306 and the 75-7c10 listed locations is that the ability to post has been explicitly limited to the building(s) of those locations. See, new subsection (d)(defining “building”). Parking lots, like the changes brought about by 2007’s HB 2528, are now expressly not allowed to be posted by the property owners/managers.
My Note: HB2528, made it not only that businesses or Companies could not post parking lots, but cities, towns, etc. could not post any common grounds, parks, etc. as well .... "only buildings". And they must be posted in the manner , location and signage requirements spelled out by the Atty Gen.
further down (AG site) :
KSA 21-4204
A new paragraph (5) of subsection (b) generally exempts persons licensed under the Kansas Personal and Family Protection Act from the firearm prohibitions relating to K through 12th grade school property or grounds. Licensees can still violate KSA 75-7c10 if they carry into a posted K-12 school building.
(last sentence refers to the section IF IT IS POSTED & what a LEGAL posting is... prescribed signage, etc. ).
Any more questions ?? Let me know. Just don't always assume someone is stupid or doesn't know what they are talking about, just because you don't know about it.
I JUST LOVE IT , when people jump in assuming they know more than anyone else.... and do it while being a smartass about it, and are wrong.
Everyone with any intelligence, needs to be very familiar with the laws of their State.
Kansas.. Check out SB306 as well on numerous changes in the statutes, if you are really interested.
And .... try actually reading the Federal law....
http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18/18USC00922.html
(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to
possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects
interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual
knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a
firearm -
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do
so by the State in which the school zone is located or a
political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or
political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains
such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or
political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified
under law to receive the license;
Kansas references (AG site): http://www.ksag.org/files/2010_Summary_SB306_-_Website2.pdf
A major change with SB 306 and the 75-7c10 listed locations is that the ability to post has been explicitly limited to the building(s) of those locations. See, new subsection (d)(defining “building”). Parking lots, like the changes brought about by 2007’s HB 2528, are now expressly not allowed to be posted by the property owners/managers.
My Note: HB2528, made it not only that businesses or Companies could not post parking lots, but cities, towns, etc. could not post any common grounds, parks, etc. as well .... "only buildings". And they must be posted in the manner , location and signage requirements spelled out by the Atty Gen.
further down (AG site) :
KSA 21-4204
A new paragraph (5) of subsection (b) generally exempts persons licensed under the Kansas Personal and Family Protection Act from the firearm prohibitions relating to K through 12th grade school property or grounds. Licensees can still violate KSA 75-7c10 if they carry into a posted K-12 school building.
(last sentence refers to the section IF IT IS POSTED & what a LEGAL posting is... prescribed signage, etc. ).
Any more questions ?? Let me know. Just don't always assume someone is stupid or doesn't know what they are talking about, just because you don't know about it.
I JUST LOVE IT , when people jump in assuming they know more than anyone else.... and do it while being a smartass about it, and are wrong.
Everyone with any intelligence, needs to be very familiar with the laws of their State.
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youngunz4life
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kim I think you might've bit the dust on this one
Huh... Really you are offended?
Now to the posters above...
What state are you talking about? I don't see that you have listed a state on your profile...
When the post was made... no where on the profile nor in the thread did it state what state they were talking about... Sorry but I left my crystal ball at work...
So, I suggested folks know their state laws. Well, I now know you are talking about Kansas... now you must also know that there are 49 other states plus some districts that have completely different laws... oh my gosh... different then Kansas!
What a joke.
My point of all this was that folks need to know their specific state laws... I'm sure there are a lot of folks not from Kansas!
Also the main point to Eagleks: either put a location in their post or ... can you believe it - put it on your profile so we know what state area you are talking about as this covers both state and federal laws. Each state handles it differently...
Like did you know that in Washington State with a Washington CPL one can drop off and pick up their child?
Look I can post a long as needless post about Washington State... since you live in Kansas - I'm sure it's really pertains to Kansas...
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.280
RCW 9.41.280
Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities — Penalty — Exceptions.
(1) It is unlawful for a person to carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school-provided transportation, or areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools:
(a) Any firearm;
(b) Any other dangerous weapon as defined in RCW 9.41.250;
(c) Any device commonly known as "nun-chu-ka sticks", consisting of two or more lengths of wood, metal, plastic, or similar substance connected with wire, rope, or other means;
(d) Any device, commonly known as "throwing stars", which are multi-pointed, metal objects designed to embed upon impact from any aspect;
(e) Any air gun, including any air pistol or air rifle, designed to propel a BB, pellet, or other projectile by the discharge of compressed air, carbon dioxide, or other gas; or
(f)(i) Any portable device manufactured to function as a weapon and which is commonly known as a stun gun, including a projectile stun gun which projects wired probes that are attached to the device that emit an electrical charge designed to administer to a person or an animal an electric shock, charge, or impulse; or
(ii) Any device, object, or instrument which is used or intended to be used as a weapon with the intent to injure a person by an electric shock, charge, or impulse.
(2) Any such person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. If any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (1)(a) of this section, the person shall have his or her concealed pistol license, if any revoked for a period of three years. Anyone convicted under this subsection is prohibited from applying for a concealed pistol license for a period of three years. The court shall send notice of the revocation to the department of licensing, and the city, town, or county which issued the license.
Any violation of subsection (1) of this section by elementary or secondary school students constitutes grounds for expulsion from the state's public schools in accordance with RCW 28A.600.010. An appropriate school authority shall promptly notify law enforcement and the student's parent or guardian regarding any allegation or indication of such violation.
Upon the arrest of a person at least twelve years of age and not more than twenty-one years of age for violating subsection (1)(a) of this section, the person shall be detained or confined in a juvenile or adult facility for up to seventy-two hours. The person shall not be released within the seventy-two hours until after the person has been examined and evaluated by the designated mental health professional unless the court in its discretion releases the person sooner after a determination regarding probable cause or on probation bond or bail.
Within twenty-four hours of the arrest, the arresting law enforcement agency shall refer the person to the designated mental health professional for examination and evaluation under chapter 71.05 or 71.34 RCW and inform a parent or guardian of the person of the arrest, detention, and examination. The designated mental health professional shall examine and evaluate the person subject to the provisions of chapter 71.05 or 71.34 RCW. The examination shall occur at the facility in which the person is detained or confined. If the person has been released on probation, bond, or bail, the examination shall occur wherever is appropriate.
The designated mental health professional may determine whether to refer the person to the county-designated chemical dependency specialist for examination and evaluation in accordance with chapter 70.96A RCW. The county-designated chemical dependency specialist shall examine the person subject to the provisions of chapter 70.96A RCW. The examination shall occur at the facility in which the person is detained or confined. If the person has been released on probation, bond, or bail, the examination shall occur wherever is appropriate.
Upon completion of any examination by the designated mental health professional or the county-designated chemical dependency specialist, the results of the examination shall be sent to the court, and the court shall consider those results in making any determination about the person.
The designated mental health professional and county-designated chemical dependency specialist shall, to the extent permitted by law, notify a parent or guardian of the person that an examination and evaluation has taken place and the results of the examination. Nothing in this subsection prohibits the delivery of additional, appropriate mental health examinations to the person while the person is detained or confined.
If the designated mental health professional determines it is appropriate, the designated mental health professional may refer the person to the local regional support network for follow-up services or the department of social and health services or other community providers for other services to the family and individual.
(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
(a) Any student or employee of a private military academy when on the property of the academy;
(b) Any person engaged in military, law enforcement, or school district security activities. However, a person who is not a commissioned law enforcement officer and who provides school security services under the direction of a school administrator may not possess a device listed in subsection (1)(f) of this section unless he or she has successfully completed training in the use of such devices that is equivalent to the training received by commissioned law enforcement officers;
(c) Any person who is involved in a convention, showing, demonstration, lecture, or firearms safety course authorized by school authorities in which the firearms of collectors or instructors are handled or displayed;
(d) Any person while the person is participating in a firearms or air gun competition approved by the school or school district;
(e) Any person in possession of a pistol who has been issued a license under RCW 9.41.070, or is exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060, while picking up or dropping off a student;
(f) Any nonstudent at least eighteen years of age legally in possession of a firearm or dangerous weapon that is secured within an attended vehicle or concealed from view within a locked unattended vehicle while conducting legitimate business at the school;
(g) Any nonstudent at least eighteen years of age who is in lawful possession of an unloaded firearm, secured in a vehicle while conducting legitimate business at the school; or
(h) Any law enforcement officer of the federal, state, or local government agency.
(4) Subsections (1)(c) and (d) of this section do not apply to any person who possesses nun-chu-ka sticks, throwing stars, or other dangerous weapons to be used in martial arts classes authorized to be conducted on the school premises.
(5) Subsection (1)(f)(i) of this section does not apply to any person who possesses a device listed in subsection (1)(f)(i) of this section, if the device is possessed and used solely for the purpose approved by a school for use in a school authorized event, lecture, or activity conducted on the school premises.
(6) Except as provided in subsection (3)(b), (c), (f), and (h) of this section, firearms are not permitted in a public or private school building.
(7) "GUN-FREE ZONE" signs shall be posted around school facilities giving warning of the prohibition of the possession of firearms on school grounds.
Now to the posters above...
What state are you talking about? I don't see that you have listed a state on your profile...
When the post was made... no where on the profile nor in the thread did it state what state they were talking about... Sorry but I left my crystal ball at work...
So, I suggested folks know their state laws. Well, I now know you are talking about Kansas... now you must also know that there are 49 other states plus some districts that have completely different laws... oh my gosh... different then Kansas!
What a joke.
My point of all this was that folks need to know their specific state laws... I'm sure there are a lot of folks not from Kansas!
Also the main point to Eagleks: either put a location in their post or ... can you believe it - put it on your profile so we know what state area you are talking about as this covers both state and federal laws. Each state handles it differently...
Like did you know that in Washington State with a Washington CPL one can drop off and pick up their child?
Look I can post a long as needless post about Washington State... since you live in Kansas - I'm sure it's really pertains to Kansas...
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.280
RCW 9.41.280
Possessing dangerous weapons on school facilities — Penalty — Exceptions.
(1) It is unlawful for a person to carry onto, or to possess on, public or private elementary or secondary school premises, school-provided transportation, or areas of facilities while being used exclusively by public or private schools:
(a) Any firearm;
(b) Any other dangerous weapon as defined in RCW 9.41.250;
(c) Any device commonly known as "nun-chu-ka sticks", consisting of two or more lengths of wood, metal, plastic, or similar substance connected with wire, rope, or other means;
(d) Any device, commonly known as "throwing stars", which are multi-pointed, metal objects designed to embed upon impact from any aspect;
(e) Any air gun, including any air pistol or air rifle, designed to propel a BB, pellet, or other projectile by the discharge of compressed air, carbon dioxide, or other gas; or
(f)(i) Any portable device manufactured to function as a weapon and which is commonly known as a stun gun, including a projectile stun gun which projects wired probes that are attached to the device that emit an electrical charge designed to administer to a person or an animal an electric shock, charge, or impulse; or
(ii) Any device, object, or instrument which is used or intended to be used as a weapon with the intent to injure a person by an electric shock, charge, or impulse.
(2) Any such person violating subsection (1) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. If any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (1)(a) of this section, the person shall have his or her concealed pistol license, if any revoked for a period of three years. Anyone convicted under this subsection is prohibited from applying for a concealed pistol license for a period of three years. The court shall send notice of the revocation to the department of licensing, and the city, town, or county which issued the license.
Any violation of subsection (1) of this section by elementary or secondary school students constitutes grounds for expulsion from the state's public schools in accordance with RCW 28A.600.010. An appropriate school authority shall promptly notify law enforcement and the student's parent or guardian regarding any allegation or indication of such violation.
Upon the arrest of a person at least twelve years of age and not more than twenty-one years of age for violating subsection (1)(a) of this section, the person shall be detained or confined in a juvenile or adult facility for up to seventy-two hours. The person shall not be released within the seventy-two hours until after the person has been examined and evaluated by the designated mental health professional unless the court in its discretion releases the person sooner after a determination regarding probable cause or on probation bond or bail.
Within twenty-four hours of the arrest, the arresting law enforcement agency shall refer the person to the designated mental health professional for examination and evaluation under chapter 71.05 or 71.34 RCW and inform a parent or guardian of the person of the arrest, detention, and examination. The designated mental health professional shall examine and evaluate the person subject to the provisions of chapter 71.05 or 71.34 RCW. The examination shall occur at the facility in which the person is detained or confined. If the person has been released on probation, bond, or bail, the examination shall occur wherever is appropriate.
The designated mental health professional may determine whether to refer the person to the county-designated chemical dependency specialist for examination and evaluation in accordance with chapter 70.96A RCW. The county-designated chemical dependency specialist shall examine the person subject to the provisions of chapter 70.96A RCW. The examination shall occur at the facility in which the person is detained or confined. If the person has been released on probation, bond, or bail, the examination shall occur wherever is appropriate.
Upon completion of any examination by the designated mental health professional or the county-designated chemical dependency specialist, the results of the examination shall be sent to the court, and the court shall consider those results in making any determination about the person.
The designated mental health professional and county-designated chemical dependency specialist shall, to the extent permitted by law, notify a parent or guardian of the person that an examination and evaluation has taken place and the results of the examination. Nothing in this subsection prohibits the delivery of additional, appropriate mental health examinations to the person while the person is detained or confined.
If the designated mental health professional determines it is appropriate, the designated mental health professional may refer the person to the local regional support network for follow-up services or the department of social and health services or other community providers for other services to the family and individual.
(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
(a) Any student or employee of a private military academy when on the property of the academy;
(b) Any person engaged in military, law enforcement, or school district security activities. However, a person who is not a commissioned law enforcement officer and who provides school security services under the direction of a school administrator may not possess a device listed in subsection (1)(f) of this section unless he or she has successfully completed training in the use of such devices that is equivalent to the training received by commissioned law enforcement officers;
(c) Any person who is involved in a convention, showing, demonstration, lecture, or firearms safety course authorized by school authorities in which the firearms of collectors or instructors are handled or displayed;
(d) Any person while the person is participating in a firearms or air gun competition approved by the school or school district;
(e) Any person in possession of a pistol who has been issued a license under RCW 9.41.070, or is exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060, while picking up or dropping off a student;
(f) Any nonstudent at least eighteen years of age legally in possession of a firearm or dangerous weapon that is secured within an attended vehicle or concealed from view within a locked unattended vehicle while conducting legitimate business at the school;
(g) Any nonstudent at least eighteen years of age who is in lawful possession of an unloaded firearm, secured in a vehicle while conducting legitimate business at the school; or
(h) Any law enforcement officer of the federal, state, or local government agency.
(4) Subsections (1)(c) and (d) of this section do not apply to any person who possesses nun-chu-ka sticks, throwing stars, or other dangerous weapons to be used in martial arts classes authorized to be conducted on the school premises.
(5) Subsection (1)(f)(i) of this section does not apply to any person who possesses a device listed in subsection (1)(f)(i) of this section, if the device is possessed and used solely for the purpose approved by a school for use in a school authorized event, lecture, or activity conducted on the school premises.
(6) Except as provided in subsection (3)(b), (c), (f), and (h) of this section, firearms are not permitted in a public or private school building.
(7) "GUN-FREE ZONE" signs shall be posted around school facilities giving warning of the prohibition of the possession of firearms on school grounds.
I more took your point to be , a sarcastic "sure , right it's legal" type of comment .... implying it's not legal anywhere. Also "read" the Fedl Law, to me implied, that you thought it was purely illegal anywhere and had never actually read the Fedl law to know that is not accurate at all.
Second, you asked for "proof" , now you have it.
EagleKS... catch the KS.... Kansas. You should also notice the OP does not note where they are in their profile either, so I had no idea where they are from .... then a Seattle and Ohio. So, what related this only to Washington ??
Also, in the laws and links shown, I think I made that quite clear it's Kansas.
The point I posted what I did was, so many people are afraid if people carried in schools..... bad things would happen. Where it is legal, such as here, there have been no incidents as a result.... and maybe, you should be working on your Legislature to change it .
It's NOT a given, that's it's illegal nor that the Fedl Law requires it. .... which a lot of people think the Fedl Law blanketly makes it illegal and that's that. It isn't.
If you want to talk only a "local ' issue, then don't put it on a forum that's National in orientation, so that people can share what it is in some locales vs others, or states vs others.
Sometimes, showing where a "law" has been successful in allowing CC in another locale or State, has been used to show there have been no incidents and that the fears are "unfounded" and it's been convincing to get others, in other states, to change theirs. Tennessee comes to mind, when they argued about carrying in bars, and showing states where it was legal and there had been no serious incidents related to it.
Carrying in bars is also legal here if it is not "posted", and there have been no incidents as a result there either.
It's just amazing that law abiding citizens, stay law abiding citizens, even when they are at a school, or in a bar .
Second, you asked for "proof" , now you have it.
EagleKS... catch the KS.... Kansas. You should also notice the OP does not note where they are in their profile either, so I had no idea where they are from .... then a Seattle and Ohio. So, what related this only to Washington ??
Also, in the laws and links shown, I think I made that quite clear it's Kansas.
The point I posted what I did was, so many people are afraid if people carried in schools..... bad things would happen. Where it is legal, such as here, there have been no incidents as a result.... and maybe, you should be working on your Legislature to change it .
It's NOT a given, that's it's illegal nor that the Fedl Law requires it. .... which a lot of people think the Fedl Law blanketly makes it illegal and that's that. It isn't.
If you want to talk only a "local ' issue, then don't put it on a forum that's National in orientation, so that people can share what it is in some locales vs others, or states vs others.
Sometimes, showing where a "law" has been successful in allowing CC in another locale or State, has been used to show there have been no incidents and that the fears are "unfounded" and it's been convincing to get others, in other states, to change theirs. Tennessee comes to mind, when they argued about carrying in bars, and showing states where it was legal and there had been no serious incidents related to it.
Carrying in bars is also legal here if it is not "posted", and there have been no incidents as a result there either.
It's just amazing that law abiding citizens, stay law abiding citizens, even when they are at a school, or in a bar .
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TheNocturnus
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Man you could cut the tension in here with a Fully Automatic Thompson.
I walked into a hospital to see my father-in-law that just had surgery the other day. They have posted signs that they do not allow guns on the premices, this was in Kansas. To my understanding of Kansas law, it is illegal for me to walk in that building armed. Now the signs were your typical gun with crossed circle over it, not the official sign with 2" letters.
I just went in anyway. No problem was had. I was nervous the entire time I was in there though and kind of regretted that I didn't turn around and put my guns in the car.
Although, when my wife and I left, her mother came with us and we went out to eat. She has no idea that I carry and I want to keep it that way. If my guns were in the car, I would have had to find a clever way to arm myself once we went out to eat.
I walked into a hospital to see my father-in-law that just had surgery the other day. They have posted signs that they do not allow guns on the premices, this was in Kansas. To my understanding of Kansas law, it is illegal for me to walk in that building armed. Now the signs were your typical gun with crossed circle over it, not the official sign with 2" letters.
I just went in anyway. No problem was had. I was nervous the entire time I was in there though and kind of regretted that I didn't turn around and put my guns in the car.
Although, when my wife and I left, her mother came with us and we went out to eat. She has no idea that I carry and I want to keep it that way. If my guns were in the car, I would have had to find a clever way to arm myself once we went out to eat.
youngunz4life
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I was joking, but since you brought it up: it came off that you didn't believe Eagleks. It wasn't the location question, it was the first part of your post. If you deny it, I'd take your word for it. All the best. Also, I wasn't offended- not sure if that part was directed at eagle or me. wasn't trying to get caught in the middle over a little fun...
Obambulate
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I think the OP should reconsider. Some of those parent-teacher conferences can get pretty testy!
Just because things can get testy, doesn't mean people reach for a gun. I think typically, people who go thru all of the efforts to get a CC and the reasons for it, aren't going to be shooting people because they got ticked off.
It also doesn't mean people aren't carrying guns folks, it just means it's not the people who have a CC license, who do obey the laws and carry for self-defense purposes. With the school shootings in the USA that have occurred, not one has been committed by a CC person, in fact it's due to folks like that we should be carrying.
It also doesn't mean people aren't carrying guns folks, it just means it's not the people who have a CC license, who do obey the laws and carry for self-defense purposes. With the school shootings in the USA that have occurred, not one has been committed by a CC person, in fact it's due to folks like that we should be carrying.
thibaultfelix40
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Declaration
I publically declare this a "******* Contest" and go to another thread.
I publically declare this a "******* Contest" and go to another thread.