I think I am sold on a 308 rifle.

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Magog

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMDV1e6ggE



I like the mags, I like the bolt action accuracy... I like it handles Tula Ammo like a dream...


And this Gun Sight rifle was designed by a Marine Who wanted a powerful weapon light weight and can move fast with it.

Price is good under 800 bucks. Sick and AMIOINT on that bad mama jammer and go to town.

Reminds me of the MINI 14.
 
I've always been intriqued by the scout concept but never enough to drop the money on one. Can't go wrong with the .308 as it is a great general purpose round. If I could ever shoot one I might "have to get one" but til then I think I'll just stick to my 'lil Model 7.
 
A bolt gun will handle the worst ammo out there as you are doing all the work. You give up velocity with the short barrel so long range work suffers. The optics mount is pretty far forward so you are limited to long relief scopes. The flash hider is cute but comes across as faux tactical. Its not really a hunting gun and after scratching my head I have come to the conclusion Ruger has succeeded in recreating a pretty nice WWI battle rifle. I will give them credit, they put a few after market parts on a decades old M77 and sold the hell out of them. There are so many reliable semi auto rifles for just a $200-$300 more.
 
I'm sure it functions fine, but it just seems like a committe-writtne list of answers to questions no one asked.
 
M1A is a heavy 9 pounder. The Ruger gun sight is a light 6.75 pounder.

I do care much about staying still, but I like to run and move fast.
 
And that M1A can probably double the rate of fire of the scout. Why not just get a Enfield.

Or...

Convert your mini 14 to a mini 10 or something of that nature. Man you love ruger ;)
 
You give up velocity with the short barrel so long range work suffers. The optics mount is pretty far forward so you are limited to long relief scopes. The flash hider is cute but comes across as faux tactical. Its not really a hunting gun and after scratching my head I have come to the conclusion Ruger has succeeded in recreating a pretty nice WWI battle rifle. I will give them credit, they put a few after market parts on a decades old M77 and sold the hell out of them.
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I agree completely. What exactly is the market for a Gunsite Scout rifle? Who buys them and for what purpose? I fail to see any real world need that this gun specifically fills. There are many better designs that will do a better job of whatever you are needing a .308 for. I can remember as far back as the '80s when Cooper was always harping about his scout rifle concept and no one was really interested. I never understood it then and I still don't.
 
I only need about 50 more rifles to partially complete my personal collection, but the scout is currently around 23rd on the list. ;)
 
I think its cool. Why does it exist? Marketing in part im sure. But there is a demand as well and not all of that is driven by marketing. Some guys don't want 10 different rifles. So this makes sense for them. Maybe it doesn't for you. Im not sure if it does or not for me. But its powerful, compact, 10 shots and a Ruger.
 
There's a lot to like in a .308. I've been playing with the cartridge for five years now and came to understand that it's a very versatile round. For many years I eschewed the .308, I guess based on my time in the Army. I fired a lot of it through machine guns and considered it the smaller of the machine gun rounds. Suitable for use against troops and light-skinned vehicles, but if I had a choice I'd use something heavier.

However, several years ago I stumbled upon a good used .308 in the racks and brought it home for a very reasonable price. Started playing with the cartridge and came to understand it's strengths and weaknesses. I'm still playing with it, on both ends of the spectrum. This morning, in fact, I'm exploring youth loads and I'm heading to the range with a load work-up using 125 Sierra Pro-Hunters. I've got grandkids coming up and want a load that won't beat them to death, yet have enough recoil that they know they're using a "grown-up" rifle.

The .308 is a good round for lots of things. It'll never surplant the .30-06 in my mind as the very best all-around cartridge, but it's got a lot to recommend it.

Now, the Scout rifle concept? Lots of folks love it, but I'm not yet convinced.
 
Slappy for what its worth I got the sarcasm.

As for the GSR, I don't understand it. Ruger had a compact rifle line for years featuring a forward mount for optics. Never seen one or knew anybody that had one or even wanted one. Put a cheesy flash suppressor on it, fit it w/ a detachable magazine, and get a training center to endorse it.....and suddenly its a must have rifle? Not hardly.
Don't misunderstand me because i'm quite pleased that ruger is putting out so many new offerings. I've purchased several of these new or updated offerings in the last few years and am happy with them. The GSR will not be one I add to the pile.
Magog, you can do what you please and it will have zero effect on me. Here's my take on it after reading your recent posts & seeing your targets. You need to learn to "gun" before you "run & gun". If you really are that enamored with wearing your tac-vest and playing commando, call the number I posted in your other thread. Those people would like to talk with you.
 
If you wanted a Short barreled .308 I.E. 18"-20" why would you go ruger to start with? I sure as hell wouldn't unless you just love the action. I would go with a savage or 700 get a barrel and go to town. That or get a 5R 20" or savage 20". I can't see a application for a 20" bolt rifle intended for CQB when someone can take a M1A do the same thing with better rate of fire.
 
I shot a buddy's Ruger Scout. My only gripe is the hang-down magazine, since I much prefer to carry a rifle at the balance point. But, I understand that short mags are available.

The flash hider doesn't hurt anything, so it's just something I'd ignore. If it helps sales to the Tactikool folks, sobeit.

But it oughta be a good deer/hog rifle where short and handy is important. If the ability to make a very quick shot is important, the forward-mount scope certainly aids that, based on comparative results in shoot'n'scoot competition.
 
OK, lets take a look at this realistically. A 16.5 inch barrel kind of fails to take advantage of the .308's long range abilities. Forward mounted rail so that the action is not blocked by optics, supposedly so you can use stripper clips according to Col. Cooper. Where does that come from, it has a detachable box magazine, speaking of which, it sticks out the bottom so far as to be a snag hazard and a real pita. I would prefer a blind box mag or hinged floor plate any day, Flash suppressor? For what? Going to be shooting at night and don't want the yotes to see you so they can shoot back. This might actually be a reasonable idea for night hunting if you hadn't shortened the barrel to the point of ruining it's long range potential. Also, the shorter the barrel, the bigger the flash anyway. So they are trying to solve a problem that they created. OK, I will admit that it would be pretty good for say a pack rifle when hiking in bear country, but then why the suppressor or forward mounted rail. The iron sights are all you need for that kind of shooting. I do like the rear peep sight (which is also pretty quick on target) but, why not a peep and post, why a front blade sight with a peep rear? I quess my problem is that it is or was designed by Jeff Cooper to be some kind of close quarter battle rifle while being marketed to people who have never been in battle and likely never will. People like Magog for instance, who want to join a militia because
I want to run and gun and train to get ready...
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Most people who have been in combat would take one of the semi auto variations of the .308 any day over the bolt gun.
PawPaw, I have no problem with the .308 round. The first hunting rifle I ever bought new for myself was a .308 and am still considering buying another, but it will have at least a 22" barrel and more likely the 26" Remington 700 SPS.

Art, yes it would be good for a brush gun type situation where short comes in handy but, the 30-30 carbine lever gun has proven itself superior in that area for over a hundred years and peep sights are very good for quick target acquisition, so I don't see the need for optics at all at those kind of ranges.

http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html
 
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