I noticed a funny thing today in the killing house…(press-check)

[Mendocino]

Today I trained with a rather elite security force that does a lot of international diplomatic and royalty personal protection, the tactician for a major metropolitan SWAT team and a firearms instructor for the same major metropolitan police force. We were doing high-level force on force training with NTLA ammunition (Simmunition FX) in a very unique range facility.

We started with inanimate target engagement, moved to low-level live target engagement (the role player does not launch projectiles at the participant), and then to full force on force live target engagement. I found it interesting that in the first two stages of progressive operations, participants did press checks automatically. When we entered into the high level stuff, starting with non-dynamic entry into a domestic dispute, they did a press check before going into the house. After the first engagement, there were projectiles launched, but nothing lethal. The scenarios lasted about 3 to 8 minutes and there were a number of reloads. I noticed the most skilled of the group (by my estimation) doing a press check when there was a “lull” in the engagement. In one case this was good because the participant had a failure to feed due to an unseated magazine.

Now, many of you may say that this doesn’t reflect on the realities of the world, and maybe your right, but it’s the closest thing I have ever seen or am aware of. I do know that as a participant in these engagements it has all of the elements of a real firefight (physiological, ballisticaly, and tacticaly), with the exception of the lethality.

I don’t really post this to continue the flame session of the first part of the thread, but offer this as evidence of a method tested. There is much, much, more to say about this but I am absolutely exhausted, and the latent adrenaline makes it tough to type.

Regards,

JH

 

[fastforty]

We run the same kind of scenarios. I've seen some pretty nasty flesh wounds from Simunitions (some participants didn't see the need for arm protection), so there is some fear involved.

BTW, it's a whole nother world when you come eyeball-to-eyeball as you're clearing a corner, eh? VERY difficult to unlock from those eyeballs and trace down to the hands, to verify the threat. Even harder to focus on that front sight, you miss every time if you don't (and these are 3 to 9 foot distances). Seasoned "point shooters" are the worst performers under these conditions.

You bet there's alotta press checks before the door gets kicked in, and yes, it's the less experienced who run their mags to slidelock and freeze up. Hehehehe...they always emerge colored up like a rainbow

 

[pluspinc]

You bet there's alotta press checks before the door gets kicked in, and yes, it's the less experienced who run their mags to slidelock and freeze up. Hehehehe...they always emerge colored up like a rainbow
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Less experienced? Are we talking about REAL shootings or what you did? Less than 2% of cops will ever be involved in a shooting. Experience is hard to find.
Also slide back means they shot a lot and missed. Average cop killed has 9-11 years on the job. It isn't the rookies (inexperienced) that are getting killed. Next comments?

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Specialists in the use and training of lethal force.

 

[fastforty]

Situations described are as close to "real life" experience that most will ever get. Anyone who has ever participated will tell you that it was nothing like what they had expected, and it scared the crap outta them.

Matters not how long someones been on the force, Darrel. Most who's first gunfight is their last can attribute the fact to their lack of training and practice. Period.

Maybe you'd like to take a run through the "funhouse" sometime. We'd be more than happy to convert the resulting video and post it here