I never thought I would find myself agreeing with Bill Clinton

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November 6, 2004 -- Former President Bill Clinton, in his first comments on President Bush's re-election, yesterday urged Democrats not to "whine" about the outcome, but to find a "clear national message."

"The Republicans had a clear message, a good messenger, great organization and great strategy," he said.

I just wish the rest of the Dems could be as realistic. The whining is already getting old. I still see tons of letters to the editor repeating the same tired lies from the campaign.

The majority of Americans did not believe them then...and we don't want/need to hear them now.

There will be no healing while the Dems are in denial!

For all his many faults, President Clinton was smart enough to run as a centrist/moderate...but the dems learned nothing from that.
 
Trouble is, they don't have any clear national message. Only a bunch of rinky dink parochial turf that 90% of everybody can't get behind. They only support the dem because he promises to throw em something. The dem powerbase could be used as a poster child for balkanization. The candidate must alienate at least half the nation to get these shrill wackos to nominate him. After that, it's only a countdown until he implodes. ;)
 
The democrat leadership has moved too far left something they will not or
cannot come to terms with, they along with the media need to step out of the glass bubble where they believe we can all live very happy in a socialist
world, if they can do that perhaps I can once again vote for a democrat. :(
 
Sat, November 6, 2004

The 'hicks' bit back

The icons of glamour and glitz all said John Kerry was the only choice for people with any intelligence -- but Middle America didn't care, says Michael Coren

By MICHAEL COREN -- For the Toronto Sun


Ben Affleck changed the world this week.

No, of course I don't mean that a tedious movie star actually changed international events. I mean that he personifies why George Bush and the Republicans won the election.

They won because Middle America bit back. Simple as that.


Middle America bit back. The abused, the marginalized and the mocked decided that they had had enough. Those taken for granted, those patronized, those treated with disdain voted to no longer play the silent victim.

For months a daft coalition of the extremely willing played their guitars, sang their songs and read their Hollywood statements about Iraq, oil, the evil George Bush and the foolishness of the American people. They would deny, of course, that they accused their fellow Americans of being stupid, but this is precisely what they did.

True understanding and enlightenment, it seemed, only came after you'd appeared in a sequel to a superhero movie or seen your last album go platinum. Bruce Springsteen might claim to be an ordinary working man, but ordinary working men don't have bank accounts the size of Rhode Island.

The assembled pop stars and actors meant no harm when they demanded that Americans vote Democrat, but what they were really saying was that only certain people really get it. Michael Moore got it. Rosie O'Donnell got it. Academics at universities got it. Howard Stern got it.

Yes, Howard Stern. America listened to Stern and his giggling sidekick explain why only a "retard" would vote for George Bush. In between fart noises and references to naked lesbians, this tired peddler of smut made fun of people who spoke with southern accents and voted on "moral issues."

The clever people at the mainstream television networks, the stylish types in New York and Los Angeles, the icons of glamour and glitz all said that John Kerry was the only choice for a person with any intelligence. As for those ignorant evangelicals, those stupid church-going Catholics, those family-values fools, those dumb redneck hicks, they weren't real Americans.

Then, in the smiling twilight of the new political morning, the unwashed told their betters to shove it.

They realized that their kind were smart and sophisticated enough to storm the beaches of Normandy and wrestle Europe from the Nazis and Asia from the Japanese fascists. They realized that they were suave and urbane enough to work the farms, make the cars, drive the cabs, do the work.

An epiphany

Middle America experienced an epiphany. We are not bigots or yokels just because we believe in the family and in traditional virtues and values. We are not hateful merely because we support our troops and cry when we hear the national anthem.

Working-class Americans began to ask some questions. They wondered why wealthy, white entertainers, artists and, I'm sure, freelance manufacturers of organic yogurt, were announcing that they would leave the United States if George Bush won the election.

Imagine that. If democracy didn't provide the result they wanted, these selfish rich kids would run away to Canada or Britain.

Is that patriotism? Middle America didn't remember Republicans threatening to leave when Bill Clinton won a second term.

Middle America grew tired of the insults. We're not voting out of fear, they said, we don't accept every word we hear from the government and we're not so easily manipulated. Stop telling us that we don't understand what's going on.

We've raised kids and paid mortgages and we resent listening to lectures, especially when delivered by an actress with a vacant smile and a copy of Socialism For Beginners.

Tired of the critics

Middle America shouted its impatience. It wasn't that it so liked George Bush, more that it was so tired of Bush's critics.

Middle America remembered a time when actors, singers and writers reflected the nation. These performers no longer aspired to reflect but to reshape it in their own narcissistic image.

John Kerry was too close to that clan, too much part of the culture of smug assumption.

It wasn't George Bush who was the victor last week, but men and women who stood up and announced to the self-defined elites that "the people" is not a concept but a flesh-and-blood reality. And one that bites back.

;) :D
 
They are a cult of personality and emotion. According to Bill O'Reilly their next presidential strategy will be to run Bill and Hillary together to try to regain some of the emotion of the 90's. :barf:
 
I seem to sort of very vaguely remember one of the national Democratic shills (Carville, maybe? ? ? The angry bald guy) saying something after the 2002 elections that they lost because "The Democratic Party Message was not heard".

Well, here's a clue, cue-ball....Your message WAS heard, and that is why you lost. And will continue to lose, untill you perform a far-leftist purge.
 
No, no, no! DON'T stop whining! Please, please, please lecture us on how you are sooo much better than me! Tell us how stupid, ignorant and intellectually inferior we are.

Tell us loud, tell us proud. Never stop preaching the message Leftist superiority! :cool:
 
Until he admits he is the worst president since Warren G. Harding, the only thing I will agree with Slick Willy on is that Gun Control really hurt the Democratic party and lost them many an election.


He admits that in his biography, "My Life."
Needless to say the book is longer than it should be.
 
November 6, 2004 -- Former President Bill Clinton, in his first comments on President Bush's re-election, yesterday urged Democrats not to "whine" about the outcome, but to find a "clear national message."

Clinton's idea of a clear message is to run Hillary in '08. Just watch her for the next couple of years as she quietly moves to "center".
 
Clinton's idea of a clear message is to run Hillary in '08. Just watch her for the next couple of years as she quietly moves to "center".

Hillary's got a tough row to hoe.

If she moves to the center now she'll be depending on moderate dems. to get behind her in the primaries. If the moderates dont come out a nut in the mold of Dean will steal the nomination from her. Typically the Dem. primary process is dominated by the fringe left, not the moderates. That's the source of Kerry's flip floping; trying to satisfy the nuts to get the nomination and trying to appeal to moderates to get enough moderates/swinger to win.

But that's the catch 22 she's in. Hillary scares the hell out conservates and a fair share of moderates. She'll have to spend the next 3 years being extrodinarly moderate to smooth enough feathers to have a chance in the election.

I think the only path that will let her have a shot at the white house will be to prevent any dems. who are left of her to even enter the primary process.
 
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No one should be surprized that one global socialist sings the praises of another. Hearing George Bush singing the praises of his ideological brother in return was no surprize to me.
 
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