I need some quick tips

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I have been lurking on your forms the past week during my lunch breaks, picking up some real good information. Tomorrow is my CCW class, I have always been an avid hunter, and clay shooter, I would say I am well above an average marksman with a rifle or shotgun, however I really don’t shoot pistols that often. I am an OK shot, but I would guess I am below average, obviously my long gun skills don’t translate well to pistols. I would love for some of you who are good shots to describe to me your process from picking up your pistol to pulling the trigger. I would like to hear about your grips, how you pull the trigger, what part of your finger you use, do you stand square to the target, one foot forward, do you bend your elbows, how far from your face do you hold your pistol, things like that.

I am not too worried about my CCW class, from what I hear they put up a target the size of a barn and you have to hit it broadside:rolleyes:, but now that I will have my CCW I feel responsible for making sure my accuracy is up to snuff. Thanks in advance, these forums are a great resource.
 
i am no marksman, and no expert. but i would say practice, practice, practice. and most importantly, have fun.
 
I bought 1,000 rounds and have shot 250 per day the last 4 days through my G19, I get a little better each day, I am trying to develop some good muscle memory, like what I do with clays before duck season or skeet tournament. I am thinking of picking up a .22, I know it won’t do much for recoil, but it would be much cheaper, and still help develop the muscle memory for the first shot.
 
22 is a GREAT idea!
remember PERFECT practice makes perfect.

Practicing the wrong way or with mistakes is not very beneficial and usually to the contrary.
Breathe, steady controlled trigger pull with PAD, proper grip, don't anticipate you will end up pulling or pushing-both of which can greatly have negative results on your target outcome.

Good luck and keep up the good work. Cheers.:D
 
I learned an acronym from a very good pistol shooter: BRASS. As he described it:

Breathe--Time the shot to go on the moment between exhale and inhale
Relax--do not death-grip the pistol
Aim--make sure the sights stay on target throughout the sequence
Squeeze--smoothly, not pull, not jerk, not yank ("Press" is a better term, but it doesn't work for the acronym)
Surprise--the discharge should come as a surprise to you
 
On the firing line in the ole Marine Corps....the word from the instructors was, "Hold em and Squeeze em". That is a steady stance with a smooth trigger pull. ......and don't get "Maggie's drawers".....only an old Marine would know what that last part means.;)
 
forgot to add:

Don't worry about the CCW test--most states' requirements are not very difficult.

If you really want to improve your technique, an earlier poster's suggestion of a .22LR is an excellent one.

That thousand rounds for your 9mm cost you what--$150-200? A like number of rounds for a .22 would cost $30 or so. That allows you to focus on the fundamentals, and shoot 5-6-7 times as many rounds for the same cost.

If you are independently wealthy, this is not an issue. :) For most of us, ammo cost rapidly becomes the issue, especially if you shoot frequently.
 
If you're shooting with both hands from the hind legs (as O'Connor would say)- try flexing your kees just a tad, feet shoulder width apart, and place your strong-side foot about half to three quarters of your shoe length behind your off-side foot. Don't lock your elbows- just give them a tad of flex. Bring your pistol up to your line of sight- don't duck your grape down to the pistol. Stand up straight, don't let yourself lean backwards. As time goes by and muscle memory comes along, you can develop more of a crouch and lean forwards just a bit- but get the basics down first.

I used to preach whole-heartedly to shoot with both eyes open and learn to focus with the strong-side eye. But, age has caught up with me a bit and I find that when I shoot indoors under less than ideal lighting- I have to close my off-side eye to reduce the number of sights that mysteriously appear on the back-end of my pistol. So, if you're young- try to learn to do it with both eyes open.

I don't know what pistol(s) you're shooting or what their characteristics are, but read up on at least 10 different opinions of what trigger control means. Too slow of a pull on a heavy trigger is as bad in my opinion as too fast- find the sweet spot speed. Once the shot is fired, DO NOT release the trigger until you are back on target. For some odd reason- that will prevent you from (or break the habit of) "slapping" the trigger and helps with various other evils such as limp-wristing. Why? I've never figgered that out- I just know it helps a lot.

If you're shooting 9mm or bigger, try to keep your arms locked in that slightly bent shape as the shot is fired and try to roll with the recoil at your waist. You should see your front sight rise and you should be able to simply lean forwards back onto target. This will help you isolate any mistakes or loss of form from your shooting platform- it becomes especially helpful when you get up into the peppier .45's and such.

Another neat trick/drill you can work on, is without your firearm. Form your hand into what it looks like when you're holding the weapon for target presentation. Turn it slightly sideways so you can see all of your fingers, and place your index finger on an imaginary trigger. Now say the word "Sque-e-e-eze" Stretch the word out to about two seconds. As you say the word- move ONLY your trigger finger remembering to hold the imaginary trigger to the rear for another two seconds. Many new shooters will find that one or two other fingers move- the key is to isolate the trigger finger and only let it move. The reason to learn to isolate movement ONLY to the trigger finger is because any other movement will adversely effect the actuation of the shot even if ever so slightly. In one way or another- they will influence the grip/gripframe which is invariably almost always attached to the rest of the firearm (if not- see a professional Gunsmith ASAP!)

Sorry for going on so long- but I didn't see just a real clear addressment of your original questions. Will my pointers win you any matches? Probably not, but they are both sound in my opinion and have worked well for me as an instructor for just about 11 years now. They'll get you started and help you towards building your own shooting platform from which you can continue to learn and improve upon. Stay safe, have fun, and remember to introduce another new shooter to the sport when you're ready!
 
The 22 is a good idea. Remember though that recoil has nothing to do with accuracy unless you flinch. Recoil happens after you pull the trigger.
 
Dear SpclPatrol Group: I'm confident that you'll do great. The key is trigger control, and you have good advice. If you miss it will be because of a trigger jerk or trying to catch that perfect shot when the sights are lined up. If you can call your shot you { remember where the sights are when the gun fires} then all will be well. If you believe you can ,you can. Good Shooting, Lyle

If you can't shoot faster than the other guy, shoot straighter. Chic Gaylord
 
I took my cousin out to an indoor range which he's never been to one before, and he had never shot a handgun before either, but him being from the wood's, a trapper and a hunter, he did great groups at 7-10 yards.

PS, as a kid, his father built a windmill for there water pump, but wait there's more....... poor kid.

Buy the way, he was shooting a CZ75B
 

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All of these suggestions are good and valid. I think most important will be to pay attention to the CCW class instructor. The get a .22 and practice all you can as well as dryfire concentrating on what anther poster called BRASS. Especially focus on the front sight and there won't be any "Maggie's Drawers" in your future!
 
Sharp focus on the sights with the target a blur in the distance. Hold the same point of aim and maintain sight alignment as you squeeze the trigger. Good luck with your CCW class.
 
Sounds like you're on the right track; a .22 is a great way to build & maintain skills, plus it's cheap. If you haven't bought one already, I'd recommend the Ruger Mark III or Browning Buckmark. S&W makes some good j-frame revolvers in .22 if you'd like a wheelgun.

As far as technique goes, I prefer weaver or modified weaver, weak foot forward, knees slightly bent. I imagine that my body has lost all tension but is ready to jump into action if it needs to. I push forward with the strong hand, back with the support hand, and picture my trigger finger as a free-floating thing whose only purpose is to pull the trigger without making anything jiggle. Sometimes I'll focus on breathing, but I'm not sure the body would remember that much if I found myself shooting for my life.

Another way to build up muscle memory is to use snap-caps at home. I'll do it a few hundred times a session in different body positions, sometimes with a coin balanced on the front sight. Shooting is obviously better, but I find this helps maintain that edge of trigger control.
 
Listen to all this stuff. These guys are giving out some good information. I find grip and trigger control very important. As people have stated squeeze the trigger don't pull it. Some people have trouble understanding the difference. Pulling the trigger jerks the firearm a bit which will throw off your shot. When you first start shooting the rounds that go of should "almost" be a surprise. Once you get used of the squeeze you will be more accurate and faster. Also grip is very important. Wrap your strong hand around the firearm, finger off the trigger, with the thumb parallel to the chamber on the left side. Wrap your weak hand around the strong, no finger on trigger guard. Keep your weak hand cupped around the strong with the thumb in a similar position. This makes a straight thumb line parallel to the chamber. Then gently push with the right arm and pull with the left. (This is for right handed) Just a couple tid bits of info I found helpful. Google correct semi auto grip and do some reading on there before your class. Good luck.
 
If money isn't super tight, I'd suggest picking up a quality .22LR - in a revolver, that's the Smith & Wesson 617, which happens to be very similar in form, size and weight to their 686P .357 Magnum.

Then put in a lot of trigger time with the .22 while concentrating on the fundamentals like 10-96 outlined. Because the recoil and blast are low, you won't get fatigued, and because the ammo is cheap, you can shoot 200 rounds a session for less than the cost of 50 centerfire rounds.
 
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